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TRC Round 2: Australia vs Argentina @ Brisbane - Saturday 27 July 2019

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
True, but against some of the bigger, more physical teams LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) is a reasonable option
In theory, but you won't come up against many bigger packs than the Bokke and it didn't really pan out.
 

Silverado

Dick Tooth (41)
Jones is a specialist blindside who can cover lock. LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) is the opposite.

I wouldnt be upset if Valetini starts over Jones - but i dont think it would be rewarding form (not that we do that).
I was impressed with Jones' form early in the Super Rugby season but was uninspiring at the back end. Are you sure he's up to it?
 

footy1>31

Ted Thorn (20)

Rob Horne was a success on the wing and extended his time in the Wallaby frame. With Kerevi the better option as a crash ball/offload center and Lilo deserving an opportunity, think it would be worthwhile to stick him on a wing. A whole lot more consistent than DHP and Hodge.
 

Joe Blow

Peter Sullivan (51)
I’d like to see Jones and Valentini given a run this week, one off the bench of course, to see what they bring.
Cheika said he would experiment over these two tests and then start to formulate a 23 and squad with an eye on the RWC.
The backrow lacked balance once again last week. It’s ironic that we now have the perfect foil for the Pooper in Naisarani but Pocock is not available.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
Staff member
Rob Horne was a success on the wing and extended his time in the Wallaby frame. With Kerevi the better option as a crash ball/offload center and Lilo deserving an opportunity, think it would be worthwhile to stick him on a wing. A whole lot more consistent than DHP and Hodge.

I'm not sure it needed explaining. ;)
 

Brumby Runner

David Wilson (68)
The only reservation I have about Jones is that when he had his chance a few years ago, he just did not step up. He looked a bit overawed, frankly.


Maybe he is over that. One would hope so.

IIRC it was two games for short periods off the bench. I'm pretty sure it was hardly a suitable time for a convincing argument either way. I do remember that he dropped the ball on his first two touches and was roundly crucified here for that but I was also sure that he did improve later in the game and made some metres with ball in hand.

Having said that, I don't think his form was at all impressive for the Rebels in Super Rugby this year.For all the talk about him being a legitimate No 6 I would be very surprised if he made more ground in possession than LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) did throughout the season. They are both excellent lineout operators.

If we want more go forward in the forwards, and are happy to take three lineout jumpers into the test match, then Valetini would be the answer. If we want more cover in the lineout, then one of LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) or Jones would be the pick.
 

Brumby Runner

David Wilson (68)
Was just listening to the Rugby Ruckus, Turinui reckons Dempsey is the man to give us the over the ball presence we were missing on the weekend. I tend to agree, I don't think the 5cm we lose by playing Dempsey who is a good jumper anyway and easier to lift when we already have 3 core jumpers will make an ounce of difference to the lineout.

They were also on board with the Koroibete/Beale/Banks back three although not opposed to putting DHP in his proper position of fullback and keeping Beale on the bench.

KOB, in a match up for over the ball No 6s, I'd go with Valetini in preference to Dempsey. Valetini also jumps in the Brumbies lineout, so there wouldn't be any diminution there and otherwise he makes more forward progress with ball in hand and hits harder in defense.

But I am not sure that the coaching staff are willing to go with only three primary lineout jumpers, so I expect one of LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) or Jones to take the No 6 spot. Of course, far better over the ball capability would be achieved if Liam Wright came in at No 7.
 

Brumby Runner

David Wilson (68)
He was 23 at the time and had played close to 50 Super Rugby games. I really don't think it was too early. He debuted in a pretty cruisy home series against and underwhelming French side.

The biggest reason he didn't get a continued run was because he got completed overshadowed by Sean McMahon on the 2014 EOYT who then became the preferred player to fill the 6 jersey (and also cover other backrow positions) and went to the 2015 RWC.

He then went overseas for three seasons.

The alternative was not selecting him to play any tests. Would that have been better player management?

Even in those circumstances BH, I believe he could have, and should have, had more opportunity than the quite limited time I remember him having.
 

KOB1987

Rod McCall (65)
KOB, in a match up for over the ball No 6s, I'd go with Valetini in preference to Dempsey. Valetini also jumps in the Brumbies lineout, so there wouldn't be any diminution there and otherwise he makes more forward progress with ball in hand and hits harder in defense.

But I am not sure that the coaching staff are willing to go with only three primary lineout jumpers, so I expect one of LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) or Jones to take the No 6 spot. Of course, far better over the ball capability would be achieved if Liam Wright came in at No 7.

Didn't he get dropped from the squad? Or are he and Maddocks back in contention for this game?
 

KOB1987

Rod McCall (65)
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Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Didn't he get dropped from the squad? Or are he and Maddocks back in contention for this game?


They were released from the squad last week to play club rugby because they weren't required for the match, but like the others sent home I assume everyone would've rejoined the camp this week..........
 

KOB1987

Rod McCall (65)
They were released from the squad last week to play club rugby because they weren't required for the match, but like the others sent home I assume everyone would've rejoined the camp this week....

Oh OK, I just assumed that as 7 or 8 others who weren't required for the game stayed over there, and that those two weren't injured, they had trimmed down the squad by a couple. If he's in contention then sure he's an option for a bench spot this week.
 

Up the Guts

Steve Williams (59)
Oh OK, I just assumed that as 7 or 8 others who weren't required for the game stayed over there, and that those two weren't injured, they had trimmed down the squad by a couple. If he's in contention then sure he's an option for a bench spot this week.
I’m not sure he and Maddocks weren’t originally being sized up to start in this match. Losing in South Africa may have complicated things but it wouldn’t have surprised me if Cheika was looking to get them good game time in what should be our easiest match. Things may have changed given we must win at all costs, basically.
 

KOB1987

Rod McCall (65)
GeeRob reporting what we all suspect:

9. Genia
10. Lealiifano
15. Beale

22 or 23. O'Connor

no further info at this stage
 
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