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Under-20 Competitions including Oceania & World U20s

FNC Rugby

Allen Oxlade (6)
So Boston dropped or injured? Sid Harvey keeps his spot even with his in ability to defend? Harvey trying to tackle a 6 ft 6 Saffa around the shoulders was crazy with only one outcome.
it doesnt matter as long as you are on the pathway your actual performance on the field is irrelevant
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
There lies the point, the pathways programs are broken if a kid is continued on that pathway just because he was selected on a pathway at 14! Alot changes between 14 & 19 and for kids who mature later how do they get a head if RA continue to pick from there chosen pathway players.....

Except he's very clearly still worthy of selection as evidenced by the fact that there's at least 8 halfbacks playing for their state side and he is in the top 2 of those.

Players aren't just kept in these squads because they were selected once and nothing ever changes.

Some players have moved (particularly at under 19 level) to get more opportunity with another state.
 

FNC Rugby

Allen Oxlade (6)
Except he's very clearly still worthy of selection as evidenced by the fact that there's at least 8 halfbacks playing for their state side and he is in the top 2 of those.

Players aren't just kept in these squads because they were selected once and nothing ever changes.

Some players have moved (particularly at under 19 level) to get more opportunity with another state.
his performances would speak otherwise but because he is a "pathway" player he will continue to get picked and i think that is the point you're missing.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
his performances would speak otherwise but because he is a "pathway" player he will continue to get picked and i think that is the point you're missing.

Is he worse than all of the following players?

Darcy Standfield, Tama Tunui, Lachy Smith, Callum Reidy, James Martens, Wally Wentzel.

There are plenty of 9s playing at the same of competition around the country. I don't think it was a surprise that Martens and Sharples were picked as the top two.

I'm sorry your son didn't get selected. It's weird to fixate on one player so much though.
 

The Ghost of Raelene

Rod McCall (65)
it doesnt matter as long as you are on the pathway your actual performance on the field is irrelevant
This is a kid that hasn’t been part of the pathways at all and earnt his crack at rep sides from Club performances. He’s a country kid that’s come to Sydney.

Love to see all the supposed guns not being selected.

I have quite a bit of knowledge across the youth systems as wankerish as that sounds and 95/100 the right kids make the squads. Hardest areas are front row to get right as the physical development is huge but a lot of the others are pushed by jaded family and parochial supporters.
 
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Backintheolddays

Johnnie Wallace (23)
Times have changed, generally for the better but are always subject to improvement. I had the pleasure of being in elite athlete identification over 30 years ago across many sports with the AIS. Nepotism and family/ regional influence were rife.
The focus was on the specific age group however with only a very limited view to the future.
The current approach does factor much more heavily the future element but still suffers from the human condition of bias, whether unconscious or otherwise. If you choose a kid as a 14yo and he keeps on turning up it is very unlikely your objectivity will be such that if through the years no one is markedly better you will just stick with the incumbent.
Australia is well behind the States and Europe is objective athlete assessment and is still led by “the gut” across most sports. Rugby Union is well off the pace for a science based approach.
 
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