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Wallabies 2023

Rebel man

Peter Johnson (47)
Whilst I have everyone’s attention how to fix the wallabies

Can we scrap the giteau law all together…. What’s the point of bringing back your Kerevis & Koribetes if it can’t even get you out of the group stages?

Let’s leave the idea of a swansong contract in France of Japan being the sunsetting on a wallabies career as opposed to the start of earning serious pay packet while you half heartedly commit to the wallabies program.
Yeah let’s just limit the players we can pick from even more
 

Rebel man

Peter Johnson (47)
I wouldn't have booted Rennie a year early, but it's fucking tough because his record was poor despite my general impression that Wallabies played some better rugby under him (though were still murdered by a combination of injuries, ill discipline and stupidity at times) and an experienced Australian international head coach became available at the wrong time.

Eddie's issue is ego-centricity. He seems obsessed with the project of finding new player(s), game plan(s) or innovations before anybody else. Sometimes it works, but mostly it doesn't. I'm yet to see a team where they personnel gets viciously renovated have an immediate pick up in results. When Eddie took over England, the initial squad turnover was expected to be savage but it wasn't. He was able to draw significantly better results out of a similar playing group to Lancaster by changing one or two technical/tactical things and their psychology. That was all he needed to do with the Wallabies to make them better than they were, and his complete renovation of the team would have been much more successful if he'd done it over 2-3 years rather than 6 months. He has a 5 year contract FFS and the only possible way he was getting sacked by Mclennan and Phil Waugh was by exiting the wallabies in the group stages of 2023 (which is now possible, but I still don't think they will boot him because there aren't any great alternatives at the moment).
Why did he turn the group over?

Because that’s what Rugby Australia wants from him. Now is as good a time as any to rip the band aid off
 

Tomikin

Simon Poidevin (60)
Fine then, I'll do it.

Jesus, do I have to do everything around here?

Here is my team, all of whom will be on MASSIVE contract$$ from Rugby Australia.

You want the best you fucking pay us.

Treasurer: @Dismal Pillock
All The Dull Shitwork Going Around the Clubs Trying To Get All The Arseholes On The Same Page: @Pfitzy
Selectors: @Tomikin @Brumby Runner Responsible for fast-tracking all ACT Brumbies players directly into the Wallabies. Don't complain, nobody else in Australian rugby knows how to win.
Relentlessly Upbeat and Positive Social Media manager: @Derpus
Bondi Beach talent scout: @zer0
Bondi Beach talent scout: @Dismal Pillock
I accept but only if I can pick only if I can pick slipper at 10
 

Namerican

Bill Watson (15)
I can understand the logic for a team like South Africa of kicking the ball away constantly. Even if open play is a dead stalemate, they are dominant at set piece so should win on the basis of winning penalties at scrums/mauls. And they probably do better on the pen count in open play too.

Every good team kicks the ball a lot, but you need some variety to confuse the opposition and create opportunities to kick the ball into space rather than just generating kick tennis. Ireland do this beautifully with multiple phases, then giving the ball to Sexton or James Lowe to kick into space that has been vacated by the defense.

All I've seen with EJ (Eddie Jones), both with late stage England and Australia, is smashing the ball up twice, then kicking it to a waiting defense. There's no creativity or misdirection. Valteni and Kerevi are being used as battering rams against a ready defense. It's no surprise that neither of them has gone on a single barnstorming run like we are used to seeing from them. All they are doing is running into three attackers. The object isn't even to generate fast ball, it's to set up a kick.

This is obviously Eddie's gameplan and it makes no sense. I honestly wonder if he has read the stats and interpreted them in a way that's illogical. Yes you don't score off 5th phase, but is it not possible you generate a better opportunity to kick by occasionally doing this?

And even so the Wallabies aren't set up to pull off this gameplan. Gordon's kicking is only OK, the back three aren't great at kicking save Donaldson's massive boot (let alone when he moves to 10 and none of the back three can kick well).

And the forwards aren't dominant at scrums and don't maul well. So the team is going to be bled dry off the field.

The one strength of the Australian team, both the pack and the backs, is that they are good ball runners, run good support lines, have skills with ball in hand. Guys like M Hooper, McReight, Samu, Valteni, Gleeson, Tupou, Bell, Kerevi, Petaia, Koriobete, Tate, IFL, Gordon/Quade/Mark N (Nawaqanitawase) are excellent running the ball. But the gameplan completely eliminates that strength from the Wallabies playbook. At bare minimum you should devise a few set plays or wrinkles that get the ball to some of the above players in a bit of space. Even watching Japan against England they managed to do this repeatedly against a far better defensive team.

But this team has barely been able to string a few phases together without kicking the ball away. What kind of genius coach can't figure out how to utilize his team's strengths?

Aside from the insanity of his selections, this is what truly worries me about EJ (Eddie Jones). I don't think his gameplan makes a whole lot of sense unless he's coaching South Africa. And he's shown no signs of wanting to alter this strategy.
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
I went into this RWC with pretty low expectations and yet I suspect I'm going to end up even more disappointed than I originally thought. Maybe EJ (Eddie Jones) is playing some sort of 4D chess that a small brained person like myself can't grasp, but on the outside it sure looks like he's got little idea about how to make this squad better.

I can see us MAYBE squeaking past Wales, but that's at best. They'll be fancying their chances right now. A more likely scenario is we end up in this dire slugfest that will make the viewing public want to neck themselves and we get bounced out at the group stage.
 

Penriff_boy

Billy Sheehan (19)
Eddie jones was satisfied after the Georgia win, In which we only won by 20 points against a complete minnow.

This clown has really fooled you lot.
 

The Ghost of Raelene

Andrew Slack (58)
Whilst I have everyone’s attention how to fix the wallabies

Can we scrap the giteau law all together…. What’s the point of bringing back your Kerevis & Koribetes if it can’t even get you out of the group stages?

Let’s leave the idea of a swansong contract in France of Japan being the sunsetting on a wallabies career as opposed to the start of earning serious pay packet while you half heartedly commit to the wallabies program.
Kind of get it but I’m also really worried about the standard of our Super Rugby sides after seeing guys we were impressed this season have their flaws laid bare constantly at international level.
 

Namerican

Bill Watson (15)
Kind of get it but I’m also really worried about the standard of our Super Rugby sides after seeing guys we were impressed this season have their flaws laid bare constantly at international level.
Even guys that have looked great internationally in the past have looked fairly pedestrian: White, Valteni, Koro, Kerevi, Petaia (less track record). So I wouldn't necessarily take that to mean the younger guys with less track record aren't that good.

The team isn't clicking. The only players that looked really good were Skelton/Tupou/Bell and that's as they play mainly within 2 meters of the breakdown and haven't been dependent on any kind of team structure to excel/do their thing.

Everyone else has looked crap as they are dependent on some kind of team cohesion. That's my take anyways.

This team has looked worse than other squads with inferior players (Japan, Uruguay, Chile) that are playing better as a team.
 

liquor box

Greg Davis (50)
Why is it that we need a 10 who can kick goals?

What ever happened to other players developing skills that will help their team and their prospects of being selected, we have had 2nd rowers win games for Australia by kicking penalties, what changed?

Practicing kicking may be a way for fringe players to get their spot and hold it, do we have a kicking coach in Australia who is working with all of our players?
 

The Ghost of Raelene

Andrew Slack (58)
We don’t.

Arguably the kicker in the world is the French Fullback. Our centres were locked in (Ikitau) and they don’t kick and none of the Wingers do.

Hopefully over the next period we see someone like Jorgo lock down a spot because he can kick. Only didn’t for the Tahs because there were established guys in the side.

It will help Carter keep any career as well. I hope he kicks for the Rebels and grows it.

Eddie was quick to pick Donaldson for kicking but you could argue Lonergan would have been a good 9 in the squad. He’s probably the most consistent kicker in Australia.
 

Rebel man

Peter Johnson (47)
Why is it that we need a 10 who can kick goals?

What ever happened to other players developing skills that will help their team and their prospects of being selected, we have had 2nd rowers win games for Australia by kicking penalties, what changed?

Practicing kicking may be a way for fringe players to get their spot and hold it, do we have a kicking coach in Australia who is working with all of our players?
Every player in the backline should be able to kick from hand off both feet and you should have two or three options to kick from the tee.

It’s professional sport, if you’re not good at it learn.
 

Brumby Runner

David Wilson (68)
This is what happens when you have two formal NRL players, with minimal Union experience running the attack and defence. It's like EJ (Eddie Jones) (Eddie Jones) just assumed they would morph into the next Shaun Edwards. Speaking of, wouldn't it be nice to have him running our defence?
In his pathologically misguided way, I think Eddie is trying to develop a new form of rugby, being a hybrid League/Rugby style. On the evidence of his last 7 tests, Eddie still doesn't like the set piece aspects of Rugby, and has no time at all for phase play. His preference for ex-League players in his coaching setup also indicates an intention to take the game away from its roots imo. In short, he has been a disaster as the Wallabies coach and I'd like to see him gone asap.
 

Froggy

John Solomon (38)
I've kept quiet so far, but I'm over it now.
When Jones was appointed I suggested I didn't know whether he was an eccentric genius or a slightly unhinged ego-maniac. I think we now know the answer.
From crazy selections, all of which have been done to death but two of the most obvious being a rookie 10 with no back-up and no recognised goal-kicker, a new coaching crew, including a league defence coach who clearly doesn't understand that in rugby, when someone is tackled we don't all get back into position while he plays the ball, a game plan that includes immediately kicking posession back to a team who's strength is running the ball from open play, right through to press conferences making ludicrous claims and attacking anyone who doesn't treat him as the guru he thinks he is.
Eddie is all about 'look at me, I'm a genius because I do everything differently to everyone else', just pure ego.
Rennie wasn't knocking it out of the park, but I said at the time we should have stuck with him until after the WC and made an assessment then.
And as to those on here saying we are now a second tier team, there are a whole bunch of second tier teams pretty pissed off with that statement.
I will continue to be a loyal Wallabies supporter, and will be cheering them on against Wales, but get this clown out of here!
 

Tomikin

Simon Poidevin (60)
Why is it that we need a 10 who can kick goals?

What ever happened to other players developing skills that will help their team and their prospects of being selected, we have had 2nd rowers win games for Australia by kicking penalties, what changed?

Practicing kicking may be a way for fringe players to get their spot and hold it, do we have a kicking coach in Australia who is working with all of our players?
Arguably that's what happened with Donaldson
 

hammertimethere

Trevor Allan (34)
Why did he turn the group over?

Because that’s what Rugby Australia wants from him. Now is as good a time as any to rip the band aid off

Sentence 1 - I'd bet good money that is factually wrong
Sentence 2 - Conceptually that's bullshit.

His only mandate would have been to improve the wallabies results. He's taken the route of going way early with the younger generation which is his prerogative as the man in the chair, but he has risked taking massive body blows to the Wallabies 2023 RWC performance and the confidence of these young players. Now was not as good a time as any to make wholesale changes. Incremental changes to the team based of a combination of form, experience, injury, moving OS with the renovation complete by mid 2024 would have been a better approach.

FWIW I would have left out Uelese, Arnold, Kemeny, Donaldson, Jorgensen, Perese and included Mafi, Neville, M Hooper, Cooper, Hodge and Ikitau (if fit or a chance of being so for the play offs). You can argue all you want about these players not having won much in the gold jersey, but they've all won alot more that those who replaced them. Maybe they're not all starters but it would have strengthened the squad considerably.
 

dillyboy

Nev Cottrell (35)
I've kept quiet so far, but I'm over it now.
When Jones was appointed I suggested I didn't know whether he was an eccentric genius or a slightly unhinged ego-maniac. I think we now know the answer.
From crazy selections, all of which have been done to death but two of the most obvious being a rookie 10 with no back-up and no recognised goal-kicker, a new coaching crew, including a league defence coach who clearly doesn't understand that in rugby, when someone is tackled we don't all get back into position while he plays the ball, a game plan that includes immediately kicking posession back to a team who's strength is running the ball from open play, right through to press conferences making ludicrous claims and attacking anyone who doesn't treat him as the guru he thinks he is.
Eddie is all about 'look at me, I'm a genius because I do everything differently to everyone else', just pure ego.
Rennie wasn't knocking it out of the park, but I said at the time we should have stuck with him until after the WC and made an assessment then.
And as to those on here saying we are now a second tier team, there are a whole bunch of second tier teams pretty pissed off with that statement.
I will continue to be a loyal Wallabies supporter, and will be cheering them on against Wales, but get this clown out of here!
Initially I didn't mind the Eddie call as I didn't see us getting it done with Rennie.

Now seeing what we've dished out this year I think you're spot on - should have stuck with Rennie for the WC then see how we went to decide if he was renewed....

Eddie's captains calls just haven't worked & I feel he's too stubborn to admit it & make the necessary changes
 
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