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Wallabies 31 Man Squad

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fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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You would think that Deans white anting the Reds would have him censured, but the ARU doesn't seem to care about that too much!
Sure is a fine line!

But if we want comment and opinions from coaches, we won't like it all, it is a brave new world
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
his d is definitely better. no doubt, but he still is not good enough in contact. i think that would be hard for you to argue. especially when you compare him to other international fly halfs.

what are your thoughts that he has perhaps over compensated? whether this is a result of the criticism he received or also because he is lacking a bit of confidence pose knee op. it seems to me like he's a bit concerned to undertake the big jinking runs and is also underplaying his hand, a bit too much.

would be interested to know others thoughts on that, as having watched the reds' last 4 games, it is something i have picked up on.

My view on Cooper's issues:

Defense - I think it is now equivalent to a Larkham or Merhtens. It isn't awesome, but it isn't a reason not to select him.

Running - I agree he does take on the line enough at times. He needs to find the balance better here - his running is a lot better from the fullback position. However I would prefer a fly half that edges towards passing over running and kicking (JOC (James O'Connor) and Barnes respectively).

Passing - sometimes the reds and cooper play too flat and this leads to turnovers an forward passes. It is more likely to come off playing the ball this close to the line, but it is also living on the edge.

If Deans wants a conservative and direct 10 we could do worse than using Cooper at 15 to spark counter attack and run wider with more space. His work in the wider channel outside Giteau a few years ago was very good.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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THIS is the openside breakaway's bread and butter. Backrowers scoring tries is the cream and jam.

That is true however it's not like Hooper did nothing at the breakdown. The foxsports stats credit Hooper with one pilfer and one penalty conceded versus Smith's two turnovers created and three penalties conceded.

I think Hooper had a much bigger impact on the game than Smith did. Compared to the game in Canberra, Smith was very quiet prior to his injury.

yeah but in how many minutes?

Hooper played 80, Smith played 60.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
You would think that Deans white anting the Reds would have him censured, but the ARU doesn't seem to care about that too much!
You'd hope that Pulver caught up with Deans at the Beuna Vista last night and told him that its not really on to criticise the form of unpicked by players in public by reference to, and blaming the form of, other unpicked players.
In fact it would be a bloody odd way to tell Taps to his face: "Look mate you were close but that c*** inside you cost you a spot: you realise he's holding you back?"
Why doesnt Deans just pour a bucket on all the unpicked players - Ralph Magazine (is that still going?) could make it their cover story.
 

I like to watch

David Codey (61)
Funny you mention that - watching Wilkinson versus Larkham last night in the 2001 Lions 2nd Test was instructive.

What I've noticed is that Quade doesn't want to get his head low, particularly front-on. Hip height tackles are just not really part of his instinctive play in the line, and neither is driving low into contact when he has the ball. His cover and chase tackling don't show the same symptoms.

Is there some incident as a kid that put him off?
He misses more tackles due to his positioning before contact than anything IMO.
The one last week against the 9 being a good example.Had he tracked on a flatter line, he would have removed the step inside as an option for the 9. And he would not have needed to hit the brakes at all.
He's not the only one, KB (Kurtley Beale) does not position the ball carrier where he wants him to be at contact either.
 

I like to watch

David Codey (61)
I think you are forgetting how many games Larkham played with one arm and struggled to make tackles.

That's a long way from:

"Defense - I think it is now equivalent to a Larkham or Merhtens. It isn't awesome, but it isn't a reason not to select him."
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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He misses more tackles due to his positioning before contact than anything IMO.
The one last week against the 9 being a good example.Had he tracked on a flatter line, he would have removed the step inside as an option for the 9. And he would not have needed to hit the brakes at all.
He's not the only one, KB (Kurtley Beale) does not position the ball carrier where he wants him to be at contact either.

I think a lot of the problem was that he almost goes in with a slide tackle where his feet are in front of his body and he's trying to collide his body with the ball carrier. The bad turf and van Zyl's stutter step meant that Cooper missed the tackle.

If he'd been running at van Zyl with the goal of making a tackle round the waist leading with his shoulder I think he is far less likely to fall over.
 

USARugger

John Thornett (49)
It looks like he goes to chop his feet so he doesn't overrun Van Zyl and the turf goes out.

Literally the same thing happened to Digby later in the game. This isn't rocket science.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
Sure they'll be more lineouts than scrums, but the latter will be a significant source of penalties. The only penalties coming form the lineout will be from a resulting maul and in that respect it is also important to have big bodies to defend a rolling maul, as well as jumpers. For the same reason he is good in the scrum, Timani's big frame helps stop the initial momentum of a rolling maul. That's handy particularly in 2013 where the referees give teams less time to use it or lose it.

I'm not sold on the idea of having Palu and Timani on the field at the same time, because I agree we need 3 genuine lineout jumpers. We might be better off having one start from the bench.

There'll be plenty of penalties and free kicks if the Lineout is under the pressure I expect from the probable selection of Timani. The balance is just all wrong with regard to a holistic game plan. I honestly don't believe he would be getting the game time at the Tahs if there was another specialist lock at the Tahs this year for these very reasons, even so you will note that Timani is not used in the limited fashion for the Tahs that he has been employed in at the Wallabies. The selections have to be balanced with tactics.

Finally BDA the snide comment about "should we even bother to turn up" goes in the basket with the "just get behind the team and show some support". It is blind, unthinking patriotism only and comments such as that attempt to appeal to the base emotions of the reader to limit the debate and comment so that some hard truths are not spoken. I would direct you to the interview with Michael Chieka recently published, were he talks about many in Australian Rugby being unable to handle being told the truth, perhaps it is why so many of our good coaches and Rugby minds head overseas and do not coach here. Too much politically correct avoidance of giving offence by telling some uncomfortable truths.
 

biggsy

Chilla Wilson (44)
I hope cooper makes the squad in the next call up. Might put this thread back on topic and than cooper and deans can go stand up paddle boarding together.
 

ACT Crusader

Jim Lenehan (48)
We have a significant advantage over the BILs in the 7 position, they don't have a scavenger up to the class of Smith, Gill or Hooper. Hooper's not quite as good as the other two when his team don't have the ball; I think it's imperative we start with Gill and run Hooper on later in the game. A couple of turnovers at the tackle will surely take the wind out of the BILs' sails, we've got to create this sort of damage early in the game. We'll be lucky to get parity at the set pieces, we simply have to attack the breakdown like hungry dogs.

Don't disagree with the tactics, but I think Deans will go for Hooper first up. Hooper is pretty good at hunting the ball and plus the fact that Hooper made every post a winner last year in his debut test season. I think incumbancy still means something, even for Deans.
 
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