Wallabies v England November 1

[TSR]

TSR, there are more coaching misfires than player misfires. Eddie Jones may have progressed players into the World Cup team before that were seasoned. Dropping Quade Cooper was the misfire of all misfires leaving one flyhalf in the squad, who hadn’t even played an international game the previous year. There were crucial admissions in that squad but the players that got thrown to the wolves will become better players emotionally in years to come. There is no point reminiscing on the atrocities and now for Rugby Australia to make sure their coaching channels are strong and each state is financial so that the coaching improves and we retain quality players.

This is a rugby blog mate. A good part of our time is spent reminiscing past atrocities

I think the valid point for discussion though is the merits of chucking young guys in the deep end. In this particular case - Carter Gordon - but my post was more about the overall merit of it. Not saying it never works - but I don’t think it’s accurate that it’s something we’ve done successfully as a routine.

I do think the two extra years of life experience are pretty important for Carter, so he’s not quite the young guy he was. But he’s still early in his career and has played zero rugby for 18 months and very little footy at all.

 

[Rugby110]

This is a rugby blog mate. A good part of our time is spent reminiscing past atrocities

I think the valid point for discussion though is the merits of chucking young guys in the deep end. In this particular case - Carter Gordon - but my post was more about the overall merit of it. Not saying it never works - but I don’t think it’s accurate that it’s something we’ve done successfully as a routine.

I do think the two extra years of life experience are pretty important for Carter, so he’s not quite the young guy he was. But he’s still early in his career and has played zero rugby for 18 months and very little footy at all.

It’s classic sliding doors effect or what if moments that we will never know what would have been the better decision at the time. I’ve been around the block a couple of times and watch my fair share of rugby, so reminiscing on rugby matters consumes my daily life. I get exactly what you’re saying about the young ones showing a glimpse of talent and all of a sudden they’re our answer for the flyhalf position. I do think Carter Gordon has much more to offer than a glimpse of talent, and I’m not alone in my views. I think Carter needs to be on the field sooner than later, because this is the only environment he’ll gain experience. There is no point holding him back now.

 

[TSR]

I do agree. I just think the logical step here is to play him off the bench this game. Possible the next as well. I get why people want to move on from Edmed. I believe Gordon is more likely to be the better option. But we’ve already seen with Lolesio the issues that can come from going all in on one option. I don’t see much value for either player in punting Edmed and throwing Carter straight in.

I think the big difference really is in the top 6 inches. Jorgenson and Sua’ali’i are both young and Jorgenson in particular has had his set backs. But they seem to have the self confidence to roll with the punches. I think that’s the exception and always will be. I don’t get the sense Gordon is that ultra confident guy.

 

[Rugby110]

I do agree. I just think the logical step here is to play him off the bench this game. Possible the next as well. I get why people want to move on from Edmed. I believe Gordon is more likely to be the better option. But we’ve already seen with Lolesio the issues that can come from going all in on one option. I don’t see much value for either player in punting Edmed and throwing Carter straight in.

I think the big difference really is in the top 6 inches. Jorgenson and Sua’ali’i are both young and Jorgenson in particular has had his set backs. But they seem to have the self confidence to roll with the punches. I think that’s the exception and always will be. I don’t get the sense Gordon is that ultra confident guy.

I don’t think Joe Schmidt is in a position to punt any of the flyhalves. Carter off the bench would be a good introduction back to the game. If you say he lacks confidence he might need to hang out with Quade more often. Laughing.

 

[Mr Pilfer]

Yeah I would love to see Carter Gordon this game but Joe normally seems to prefer to give them a lot of time in the squad before selection so he might just be in there to get back up to speed.

Cant remember if Tizzano was injured or not but I think he makes a big difference off the bench as well, like seeing him and Fraser playing the last 20 against tired teams so hopefully get that this week

 

[notdeadyet]

when the engish got the penalty when edmed took the ball both englishmen had their heads lower than their bums and both had at least one hand on the ground ???