Wallabies v England November 1

[Wilson]

I have noted over the last 20 years a pattern in our performances v time with a coach. The longer the coach is in charge, a decline starts, and then we get a new coach and it starts all over again. No idea why, it just seems to happen consistently.

I too have noticed that we sack coaches when the team performance declines. My theory is that we actually want the team performance to improve, so coaches that disagree with that have to go.

 

[stillmissit]

The question then Wilson - is it the coach or the players who are at fault. I think that in failure it is always the manager's fault BUT we have had a whole series of managers who have all failed, so it must be the cattle. That is ARU's issue in development and expanding the base. We all know the problems they have had to deal with, mainly a lack of funds due to the above issue.

We are caught in a Gordian Knot.

 

[Major Tom]

Saw a replay of the 25m maul that England did off the lineout.
Looked impressive but also looked like the lifter behind the jumper got in front of the ball. Seems it only gets looked at if they score a try.

 

[Major Tom]

The question then Wilson - is it the coach or the players who are at fault. I think that in failure it is always the manager's fault BUT we have had a whole series of managers who have all failed, so it must be the cattle. That is ARU's issue in development and expanding the base. We all know the problems they have had to deal with, mainly a lack of funds due to the above issue.

We are caught in a Gordian Knot.

Depends what we consider a failure and what we consider progress. I want us to win so badly but I also recognize that we seem to be in games a lot more than before. Wins and loses are important but I think we need to temper our expectations.

 

[Ignoto]

I too have noticed that we sack coaches when the team performance declines. My theory is that we actually want the team performance to improve, so coaches that disagree with that have to go.

I dunno Wilson. Looking at the Wallabies level, we had Deans and Chieka do long stints with Link being forced out for non-performance reasons.

Rennie and Eddie have been the only two in close to almost two decades for performance reasons (my brain is fried but I am trying to remember if Connolly was booted out after the 07 RWC failure?).

At Super Rugby you're probably right. The Tahs are trigger happy booting coaches out, so were the Rebels and certain extent the Force.

Have the Brumbies sacked a coach for performance reasons?

The Reds have had an up and down run in the last 20 years with Eddie jumping off like a rat, Mooney, Graham and Stiles all being moved on. But I think the only sacking was Graham with the other two just not having a contract issued?

 

[stillmissit]

Depends what we consider a failure and what we consider progress. I want us to win so badly but I also recognize that we seem to be in games a lot more than before. Wins and loses are important but I think we need to temper our expectations.

Understand what you are saying but we have been here + or - a bit each time. Cheika started with a bang and exited with a whimper, Rennie looked good for a while, Deans was eventually brought down, McKenzie was white-anted, Eddie Jones (2) got us back for dumping him, by just about destroying us.
So from 2008 we have been on the same merry-go-round.
I liked Connolly, but he was gone quickly, not sure if it was his call or ARU's. Schmidt is a good coach and there is improvement but I was a manager and I sacked a fair few guys who claimed everything was getting better. So there are no excuses if there are no winners.
Is it too easy to get a gig overseas, so there is no existential threat? Not that we could do anything about it anyway.

 

[stillmissit]

I dunno Wilson. Looking at the Wallabies level, we had Deans and Chieka do long stints with Link being forced out for non-performance reasons.

Rennie and Eddie have been the only two in close to almost two decades for performance reasons (my brain is fried but I am trying to remember if Connolly was booted out after the 07 RWC failure?).

At Super Rugby you're probably right. The Tahs are trigger happy booting coaches out, so were the Rebels and certain extent the Force.

Have the Brumbies sacked a coach for performance reasons?

The Reds have had an up and down run in the last 20 years with Eddie jumping off like a rat, Mooney, Graham and Stiles all being moved on. But I think the only sacking was Graham with the other two just not having a contract issued?

One of the things I liked about Mooney was that he put in place the foundations of young players, and took the chop for it, but those players built a great Reds team.

 

[Tomthumb]

Depends what we consider a failure and what we consider progress. I want us to win so badly but I also recognize that we seem to be in games a lot more than before. Wins and loses are important but I think we need to temper our expectations.

We beat this England team 12 months ago, scoring 42 points in the process.

 

[Major Tom]

We beat this England team 12 months ago, scoring 42 points in the process.

Did you answer my question the other day, who would you like coaching the Wallabies?

 

[stillmissit]

We beat this England team 12 months ago, scoring 42 points in the process.

As Ignoto and I discussed above, is it the new coach syndrome?

 

[stillmissit]

Did you answer my question the other day, who would you like coaching the Wallabies?

I'll have a crack Major, Stephen Larkham by a continental mile.

 

[Major Tom]

I'll have a crack Major, Stephen Larkham by a continental mile.

Fair opinion. Tomthumb and others would argue “what’s he won?” So we’re basically the same point as Kiss.
For me I’m actually more interested in what is the coach’s vision is rather than their history. “Past performance is no guarantee of future results”