Wallabies v France, 7.00am AEDT Sunday Morning

[Major Tom]

Before the France game, Tizzano has been providing good impact off the bench. His game has evolved this year to be more than a traditional 7, with good tight ball running, post contact metres and try finishing on top of his very good tackling, ruck and over the ball work.

The French were happy with his impact.
I think he's improved his in tight work (lineout maul work) but I don't think he's improved the post contact metres much.

 

[Wilson]

Yeah, this decision was made when we were on course, now I'm not so sure. In any case RA have been making this up "this plan" as they go so think it's all pretty flexible. We're also talking about 3 games which is not a whole lot in the scheme of things. So it could be argued either way I guess. I just want the players to transition to Les' gameplan quickly and I worry that Schmidt and his tactics are pretty different.

This all just sounds like you "picking at the bandaid", without much thought (or knowledge) of what the actual planning is.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Would there not be some benefit from having all the Wallaby training squads next year selected and managed by Kiss rather than Joe?

 

[Major Tom]

This all just sounds like you "picking at the bandaid", without much thought (or knowledge) of what the actual planning is.

Well, what’s the alternative, “trust the process”? This is RA we’re talking about remember.
I'm not having a full crack at the changeover just skeptical that Joe coaching 3 games next year will help Kiss that much.

 

[dru]

https://www.theroar.com.au/2025/11/24/wallabies-coach-happy-to-walk-away-if-rugby-australia-wants-to-call-quits-following-horror-finish/

Well let's hope that does not happen!

Just leave it as is, we have the plan already

Thank you, Tomikin.

 

[Wilson]

Well, what’s the alternative, “trust the process”? This is RA we’re talking about remember.
I'm not having a full crack at the changeover just skeptical that Joe coaching 3 games next year will help Kiss that much.

Yes, unless you can present a compelling case for an alternative which I don't think you have at all. Remember it's not just RA that picked this timeline, but Les Kiss as well who decided not to run dual roles.

Would there not be some benefit from having all the Wallaby training squads next year selected and managed by Kiss rather than Joe?

Benefit in his input, but not trying to do two jobs at once.

A bad tour really isn't that new a development to the change over here. I don't see why it should cause RA to rip up the script, even though they have made similar mistakes in the past.

 

[stillmissit]

I don't think that early switch would be particularly helpful, given the disruption at the Reds would probably end up off setting the gains at the top in a period where the Wallabies coach isn't really hands on.

Better to look at ways of accelerating the transition in that Nations Cup period with Les Kiss coming into camp. Right now the focus from an RA perspective should really be that broader coaching team (which Joe will probably still have some role in) and ensuring they get the best possible assistants around Les, and get them in as early as possible. I think that probably also means one of Donnelly and Ulugia moves on, I'm not sure having both forwards coaches that inexperienced is ever going to work, particularly if Fisher moves on. Ideally that would probably be Palmer in for Ulugia.

Could Les come in as a defence coach? I'd be happy for Joe to continue, but with better support coaches and especially defence coach.

 

[dru]

Could Les come in as a defence coach? I'd be happy for Joe to continue, but with better support coaches and especially defence coach.

For Christ sake, Les has a job. There is a timetable here, let's get's used to it.

 

[Tomikin]

For Christ sake, Les has a job. There is a timetable here, let's get's used to it.

Exactly, there is absolutely no reason to toss Joe before Les is ready.. My fucking god, Joe didn't become a bad coach overnight.. Yes results aren't where we wanted them. But he could have told us to fuck off right after the Lions.

We have a plan, leave it alone... go kick the dog or somthing, Les has the Reds to worry about before he wants to think of the Wallabies..

 

[Tomthumb]

Yes, unless you can present a compelling case for an alternative which I don't think you have at all. Remember it's not just RA that picked this timeline, but Les Kiss as well who decided not to run dual roles.


Benefit in his input, but not trying to do two jobs at once.

A bad tour really isn't that new a development to the change over here. I don't see why it should cause RA to rip up the script, even though they have made similar mistakes in the past.

Les Kiss wanted to be the coach right now, but Queensland rugby wouldn’t let him out of his contract. That’s the only reason this messy “transition” is happening

 

[Red Runner]

Les Kiss wanted to be the coach right now, but Queensland rugby wouldn’t let him out of his contract. That’s the only reason this messy “transition” is happening

well that and his manager not insisting on a get out clause.

 

[notdeadyet]

Before the France game, Tizzano has been providing good impact off the bench. His game has evolved this year to be more than a traditional 7, with good tight ball running, post contact metres and try finishing on top of his very good tackling, ruck and over the ball work.

yes, yes, yes and yes one of my favourite aus players but NEEDS a break to get right

 

[Strewthcobber]

I do find the commentary around Tizzano pretty strange. H's never played like a "traditional" Australian 7. He barely gets a turnover all season, and never has.

He's a tackle machine, pretty decent with the ball and clearly really strong organising forward packs, especially around mauls and similar

 

[Major Tom]

Yes, unless you can present a compelling case for an alternative which I don't think you have at all. Remember it's not just RA that picked this timeline, but Les Kiss as well who decided not to run dual roles.

The compelling case is having kiss coach as many games as he can before the World Cup. So I would ask Joe to stay on as an assistant or advisor. From the super final (after the reds win it) to that first test is a month. It’s my belief that that is enough time to reset and get on with coaching the wallabies.
I gather a lot of it hinges on who Kiss brings across. And do they start when he starts or are the drip feed in to work with Joe and then with Les.

 

[dillyboy]

Les Kiss wanted to be the coach right now, but Queensland rugby wouldn’t let him out of his contract. That’s the only reason this messy “transition” is happening

Sauce?

I'd heard it as Kiss wanted to see his time out at Qld first....

 

[Brumby Runner]

Yes, unless you can present a compelling case for an alternative which I don't think you have at all. Remember it's not just RA that picked this timeline, but Les Kiss as well who decided not to run dual roles.


Benefit in his input, but not trying to do two jobs at once.

A bad tour really isn't that new a development to the change over here. I don't see why it should cause RA to rip up the script, even though they have made similar mistakes in the past.

Wilson, the QRU also played a big part in the decision by reportedly wanting a large sum in compensation for an early release. That wouldn't seem to be such a large impost for RA now with just 6 - 8 months to run and the coffers nicely topped up after the Lions visit. I don't see a need for LK to hold down both jobs if both RA and Joe want to pursue a change.

RA have also made mistakes holding on to coaching staff beyond their "best by date".

 

[Tomthumb]

Sauce?

I'd heard it as Kiss wanted to see his time out at Qld first....

Les Kiss wanted to delay starting his dream job and yet still had RA trying for weeks to negotiate his release from Queensland?

 

[Wilson]

Wilson, the QRU also played a big part in the decision by reportedly wanting a large sum in compensation for an early release. That wouldn't seem to be such a large impost for RA now with just 6 - 8 months to run and the coffers nicely topped up after the Lions visit. I don't see a need for LK to hold down both jobs if both RA and Joe want to pursue a change.

RA have also made mistakes holding on to coaching staff beyond their "best by date".

It's a contractual obligation but if he really wanted out early it would've happened. As it stands nothing has really changed - yes RA are flush with cash for now, but none of that is unexpected, and if anything the cost to get him out of his contract will have gone up, because it will be a lot more disruptive now than it would've been at the end of the season.

If Joe really wants out (as opposed to being willing to go) than fair enough, he'll move on and Les Kiss will take over 3 games early, but there's a reason that wasn't part of the plan to begin with, and I don't really think it'll help much to accelerate the transition like that. In fact it'll almost certainly make it messier with little room for a proper hand over.

 

[Wilson]

Les Kiss wanted to delay starting his dream job and yet still had RA trying for weeks to negotiate his release from Queensland?

He wanted to see out his commitments - which means doing the job he signed on to do, or ensuring that the Reds were adequately compensated if he left early.

 

[Tomikin]

Les Kiss wanted to be the coach right now, but Queensland rugby wouldn’t let him out of his contract. That’s the only reason this messy “transition” is happening

But the truth was, we requested Joe for more time.. he said yes, contracts whatever. His got a little to go before Les grabs it..

THE MAIN THING IS, WE HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE... THERE'S NO POINT CHANGING OVER 2 MONTHS !!!!!