Wallabies v Lions, 19 July Suncorp

[parkfootyenthusiast2]

I’m not sure what all the negativity is about in here. Lions were clinical in the first half and won the moments, but our boys were right in that contest and have a couple key troops to return for the next two tests.

Thought Lynagh was relatively composed and looked comfortable out there. A kick or two he could’ve landed better but I really didn’t think he looked out of place, especially for a 22 year old on debut. I’d give him another go.

8 points in it, 10 points given up 2 minutes into both halves. They’ll be better for the experience and the next test should be a belter.

Heads up boys. 80,000 at the MCG next week rugby is alive and well in Aus, and Bobby V is on his way. Let’s fuckin trot.

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

Will be disappointing if there’s only 80k at the G
Should be 95-100

 

[noscrumnolife]

Watching the game back as I've been in the air (on the way back to Oz for tests 2 and 3). Some scattered thoughts, much might have already been covered.
- Russell is a fucking good 10, my gosh. Beirne, Genge, Furlong are excellent players.
- Lynagh is a tough bastard
- Wilson is an awesome captain, don't know why we can't just lock him in properly
- Lion dominance for first 45 minutes was built around the air (kick game/chase, lineout).
- Curry is a great player but literally lives offside - hope we either a) point this out or b) start to push the boundaries as well.
- Few too many trick plays for my liking, don't blow your load in the first half of a three test series.
- Potter is a good player but given Pietsch's performance for the Force - the best I saw from a Super player), I am sure he is wondering what else he has to do. Need his ability to bend the line.
- I actually thought Ikitau and JAS both had good games, just need more ball especially in 1st half. But they are great into contact.
- Pollard was really good. Very interesting choice if Porecki is available (?) with the three hookers.
- Sick of Frost to be honest, the bloke just folds into contact. 2 row was too light for mine. Wish LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) and Phillip were in the selection frame. For me those two + Skelton is much better than the 2row options we had out there.
- I generally thought BOK had a pretty decent game. The main problem I had was that the JAS disallowed try should have been a yellow, he does not use arms.. However, I much prefer his wild west style of breakdown refereeing to the overly pedantic NH types - don't need to see endless technical infringements.

Big picture, I do understand the game/selection plan in the absence of Skelton/Valetini/Gleeson (keep it tight, bring on Bell, McDermott, Tizzano etc and motor over the top of them). However, with the lack of starch versus their massive (and very good pack) the scoreboard was just too big. Touch wood the big units are available and I would change up selection (bobby, skleton, gleeson, pietsch all in) and try go over the top of them.

A bit to be proud of, a lot to work on, potential there, many wallabies teams would have completely faded. Some different bounces of the ball (to be fair, applies to both teams), and could have been an absolute highway robbery.

 

[noscrumnolife]

Also the online lions fans are the biggest bunch of sooks, holy moly. Hopefully some of the touring lots will be better sorts.

 

[KOB1987]

I’m not sure what all the negativity is about in here. Lions were clinical in the first half and won the moments, but our boys were right in that contest and have a couple key troops to return for the next two tests.

Thought Lynagh was relatively composed and looked comfortable out there. A kick or two he could’ve landed better but I really didn’t think he looked out of place, especially for a 22 year old on debut. I’d give him another go.

8 points in it, 10 points given up 2 minutes into both halves. They’ll be better for the experience and the next test should be a belter.

Heads up boys. 80,000 at the MCG next week rugby is alive and well in Aus, and Bobby V is on his way. Let’s fuckin trot.

You must be new here

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

Also the online lions fans are the biggest bunch of sooks, holy moly. Hopefully some of the touring lots will be better sorts.

They are Brit’s. What else would you expect? No mention of 30% of their team being Aussie/Nz through to adulthood which frankly should be a little embarrassing.

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

Watching the game back as I've been in the air (on the way back to Oz for tests 2 and 3). Some scattered thoughts, much might have already been covered.
- Russell is a fucking good 10, my gosh. Beirne, Genge, Furlong are excellent players.
- Lynagh is a tough bastard
- Wilson is an awesome captain, don't know why we can't just lock him in properly
- Lion dominance for first 45 minutes was built around the air (kick game/chase, lineout).
- Curry is a great player but literally lives offside - hope we either a) point this out or b) start to push the boundaries as well.
- Few too many trick plays for my liking, don't blow your load in the first half of a three test series.
- Potter is a good player but given Pietsch's performance for the Force - the best I saw from a Super player), I am sure he is wondering what else he has to do. Need his ability to bend the line.
- I actually thought Ikitau and JAS both had good games, just need more ball especially in 1st half. But they are great into contact.
- Pollard was really good. Very interesting choice if Porecki is available (?) with the three hookers.
- Sick of Frost to be honest, the bloke just folds into contact. 2 row was too light for mine. Wish LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) and Phillip were in the selection frame. For me those two + Skelton is much better than the 2row options we had out there.
- I generally thought BOK had a pretty decent game. The main problem I had was that the JAS disallowed try should have been a yellow, he does not use arms.. However, I much prefer his wild west style of breakdown refereeing to the overly pedantic NH types - don't need to see endless technical infringements.

Big picture, I do understand the game/selection plan in the absence of Skelton/Valetini/Gleeson (keep it tight, bring on Bell, McDermott, Tizzano etc and motor over the top of them). However, with the lack of starch versus their massive (and very good pack) the scoreboard was just too big. Touch wood the big units are available and I would change up selection (bobby, skleton, gleeson, pietsch all in) and try go over the top of them.

A bit to be proud of, a lot to work on, potential there, many wallabies teams would have completely faded. Some different bounces of the ball (to be fair, applies to both teams), and could have been an absolute highway robbery.

We need to bend the line more in the first half which will force them to play more defense and tire them out bringing the surge from aus earlier in game with a more tired lions outfit.
The back line took awhile to make space and for me too much kicking from us that wasn’t tactical. They also beat us to the high ball a lot in the first half.
line out misses obviously dissapointing and need to be fixed.
Bobby v obviously in. I though NCDC was a great big body and would have him in the 23z
I think LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) should be onto the bench and replace Skelton at 60.
I’d either bring bell on sooner or start him. He’s a wrecking ball.
Potter was poor. Bad kick option in first half that cost us and knock one.
I’d bring Donaldson on at 60, Tate start and if he comes off come off at 70 maybe putting Nick white on with his kicking ability

 

[Ignoto]

The way we've been set up to play cost us the game more than any player position swap did.

Not immediately clearing from our own half after the very first kick off resulted in 3 points.

Trying to catch the Lions napping via a trick play via the line out and getting caught out resulted in 7 points.

Poor defensive line speed meant Finn Russell had all the time in the world to do what he wanted.

Poor box kicks that didn't go high or far enough meant we were constantly stuck in our own half. Telling Jake to either pass or kick meant our runners outside of him were easily marked and meant their ruck defence could immediately put pressure on us.

 

[Lyall]

Tackle in the air, direct contact with shoulder to head, no arms tackle on the try line, 8+ penalties within the Lions 22 and no yellow.

Yeah, nah. OKeefe was exactly as spectacularly fucking spastic as expected.

Derps, I agree with you but the touchies and TMO all agreed with him on every decision, they are allowed to disagree with him aren't they?
Poor Ben, all he wants is everything to be nice and float along smoothly...

 

[PhilClinton]

The result was as expected but i thought the Wobs actually had a decent crack.

My main issue is our attack gameplan. We seemed to rely on the up and under with chasers as a primary way to score points. It obviously worked for Jorgo but the other 15 times it didn’t.

We need more forwards who can bend the line. Easier said than done but I’d be starting Bell next game and dropping Frost for LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto).

 

[Heavyd]

Wallabies looked like a team that had played one game in 7 months in the first half. Better in 2nd. Literally nothing f went our way, Lions in our backline, the bounce of the ball, Tom Curry tackle not being a yellow, Ben Earl no arms shoulder at Suallis knees unpunished, Forward passes not called. Despite All of that and 4 or 5 changes I honestly believe we can win next week. Lions can’t play any better and we can’t play any worse, and hopefully we will have a ref where dangerous play is dealt with according to the rules.

 

[maxdacat]

Also the Lions defensive line is offside 100% of the time. Why dont we just copy it? No, instead we wwill voluntarily concede 10m a carry. Braindead thinking.

I suspect this is true given how often we got caught behind the ad line going nowhere over multiple phases. The law for rucks is behind the last feet, so was this just not being policed or are the Lions defenders just very quick off the line? Would be interesting to see some footage from above.

 

[maxdacat]

A bloke hammered a guy in the air and only gave away a pen. Dangerous and foul play.
Another bloke uses his body as a ramp to take down JAS, who went flying!
Pretty hard to cop when they’re yellow every other time (particularly the 2nd one).

When they said very quickly upon review that "both arms" were "involved" in the "tackle" I could see that one of those arms (his left) was on the ground supporting his body weight!

 

[Strewthcobber]

Lions can’t play any better and we can’t play any worse,

Do you reckon the Lions played well? I think they would be pretty happy with the win but disappointed with their errors and scrum. The poor kicking from their wings probably kept us in the game.

I'd say both teams have a lot of improvement in them. Unfortunately Lions look a lot closer to where they want to be with their selected team. We probably need changes in players in the field (pray for Valetini)

 

[Strewthcobber]

I suspect this is true given how often we got caught behind the ad line going nowhere over multiple phases. The law for rucks is behind the last feet, so was this just not being policed or are the Lions defenders just very quick off the line? Would be interesting to see some footage from above.

The issue as always is we don't know when the ref thinks the ball is out of the ruck. We don't know if a player shooting up on screen has gone early or not

 

[Major Tom]

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Well clearly your memory is pretty bad all around then if you think it was the 22. This is basically the same play.

When did the lynagh chip kick happen last night?

 

[Ignoto]

When did the lynagh chip kick happen last night?

First half - I can't remember if it was penalty advantage. Tom did a short range kick to JAS who didn't catch it.

It makes sense to have variability against a rush defence, just needed better execution.

 

[Strewthcobber]

When did the lynagh chip kick happen last night?

27:30 on the match clock.

No pen advantage, just came after 5 phases of nothing much. Between their 22 and halfway

Lions cleaned it up easily, then on the breakout Lowe's poor clearing kick found Lynagh, 20s later Gordon put up the box kick for Jorgo

 

[Derpus]

When they said very quickly upon review that "both arms" were "involved" in the "tackle" I could see that one of those arms (his left) was on the ground supporting his body weight!

It was blatantly wrong. Clearly instructed to find reasons not to send anyone off.

Thats been an illegal tackle for ages and on the tryline its quite cynical. Yellow all day.

 

[wamberal99]

Our scrum more than held its own.