Wallabies v Lions Game 2 MCG 26 July

[Pfitzy]

Sua'ali'i is the most expensive player who can't tackle in the world

More the defense than the tackling.

 

[Shiggins]

Can someone point to the law that would make the clean out illegal? I’m not super across it — is the neck mentioned anywhere?

Well hooper was right. The lions player dove straight off his feet into tizzanos head. You could penalise for sealing off. Tizzano won the fucking ball

 

[Micheal]

I honestly reckon that one was the end of professional rugby Aus.

It sounds ridiculous but after the game I genuinely thought: “why do I even bother?”

I’m 30 and one by one all of the friends that I used to watch rugby with have moved on over the years, as they can’t handle the officiating and the disappointment.

Then I flick over to Reddit and I see every other nation belittling us in a way that no one else in world rugby ever really cops it, and it is really apparent to me that no one sport that I watch ever makes me feel this way.

I know I’m being a sook but eventually you have to ask why you continue to tune in.

World Rugby Law 9.20 (a–d):

• 9.20(a):
  A player must not charge into a ruck or maul.
  Charging includes any contact made without binding onto a player in the ruck/maul, such as a “shoulder charge.”
• 9.20(b):
  A player must not make contact with an opponent above the line of the shoulders.
  This includes head or neck contact, even if unintentional.
• 9.20(c):
  A player must bind onto another player when joining a ruck or maul.
• 9.20(d):
  Dangerous play in a ruck or maul includes:
  • Collapsing a ruck/maul
  • Targeting the lower limbs of players in a ruck
  • Lifting or dropping onto a player in a ruck

In addition to Law 9.20, World Rugby’s Head Contact Process (HCP) is the protocol referees use to determine sanction levels (red/yellow/no card) when there’s:

• Direct head or neck contact
• Dangerous play
• Lack of mitigation (e.g. sudden movement by ball-carrier)

If head contact is reckless or intentional and no mitigation exists, a red card is the expected outcome.

Someone post this over at Reddit and shut the fucking pomms up.

 

[John S]

Shouldnt be dependent on this but it probably is. Think Rugby is basically done now.

And the kicker is, if someone from world rugby turns around and says the decision was wrong, it changes nothing

 

[Running_rugby_1954]

Plus the jumping over try should have been a penalty to us.

World Rugby Passport - Clarification 3-2022

passport.world.rugby

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

That's a little too dramatic, wasn't like we lost 35-0.

But we were up by what 18? This is what anti rugby folks will turn the barstool back to the league and go see the Wallabies are shit. Rugby needed this

 

[drewprint]

It sounds ridiculous but after the game I genuinely thought: “why do I even bother?”

I’m 30 and one by one all of the friends that I used to watch rugby with have moved on over the years, as they can’t handle the officiating and the disappointment.

Then I flick over to Reddit and I see every other nation belittling us in a way that no one else in world rugby ever really cops it, and it is really apparent to me that no one sport that I watch ever makes me feel this way.

I know I’m being a sook but eventually you have to ask why you continue to tune in.

Someone post this over at Reddit and shut the fucking pomms up.

Sub 30 for 40 and you’ve nailed it for me too. There’s only so many heartbreaking moments you can take hey.

 

[Tomthumb]

By the laws it was clearly a penalty, ref has ruined the decider

 

[rod skellet]

World Rugby Law 9.20 (a–d):

• 9.20(a):
  A player must not charge into a ruck or maul.
  Charging includes any contact made without binding onto a player in the ruck/maul, such as a “shoulder charge.”
• 9.20(b):
  A player must not make contact with an opponent above the line of the shoulders.
  This includes head or neck contact, even if unintentional.
• 9.20(c):
  A player must bind onto another player when joining a ruck or maul.
• 9.20(d):
  Dangerous play in a ruck or maul includes:
  • Collapsing a ruck/maul
  • Targeting the lower limbs of players in a ruck
  • Lifting or dropping onto a player in a ruck

In addition to Law 9.20, World Rugby’s Head Contact Process (HCP) is the protocol referees use to determine sanction levels (red/yellow/no card) when there’s:

• Direct head or neck contact
• Dangerous play
• Lack of mitigation (e.g. sudden movement by ball-carrier)

If head contact is reckless or intentional and no mitigation exists, a red card is the expected outcome.

from my limited tv view , the last play is a penalty and a yellow card. in addition. Smith chose the wrong team. LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) and tupou should have been in the 23. Bell should have started. Valenti and Skelton should have played 64 min min.

 

[dru]

Dru, unfortunately the Lions also have fresh legs. The whole bomb squad notion is utter bullshit. Big errors by Joe in replacing the two props at half time and Valetini if not injured.

Hey BR. The hand grenade got called out when we lost Potter. The swap between Gordon and Tate with the change in pace etc never happened. When I called out our fresh legs, we had them and they didnt. It was nearly a 10 min window.

I would still call the hand grenade - but to be honest, 6 forwards on the bench needs to achieve more than they did tonight.

I agree though, I would keep the front row and Valetini for another 10 mins after the break. Unless injury.

I don't however have a problem with a 6/2 bench and the Lions are exactly the sort of opponent where I would have it in mind.

 

[Pfitzy]

I honestly reckon that one was the end of professional rugby Aus.

Oh Derpus - it ended about 20 years ago.

 

[Brumby Runner]

he is. but hes also angling in

Wow, Genge boring in on the LH side and the THboring in on the other side against Bell. How thw F*ck does the hooker come out alive? To be honest, I didn't se Genge boring in at all bnut he certainly went elbow to the ground on a number of scrums bringing Robbo down but Genge winning the penalty.

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

Plus the jumping over try should have been a penalty to us.

World Rugby Passport - Clarification 3-2022

passport.world.rugby

The last paragraph can be interpreted either way and depends on your supporter perspective.

 

[twister29]

Can someone point to the law that would make the clean out illegal? I’m not super across it — is the neck mentioned anywhere?

World Rugby Law 9.20 (a–d):

• 9.20(a):
  A player must not charge into a ruck or maul.
  Charging includes any contact made without binding onto a player in the ruck/maul, such as a “shoulder charge.”
• 9.20(b):
  A player must not make contact with an opponent above the line of the shoulders.
  This includes head or neck contact, even if unintentional.
• 9.20(c):
  A player must bind onto another player when joining a ruck or maul.
• 9.20(d):
  Dangerous play in a ruck or maul includes:
  • Collapsing a ruck/maul
  • Targeting the lower limbs of players in a ruck
  • Lifting or dropping onto a player in a ruck

In addition to Law 9.20, World Rugby’s Head Contact Process (HCP) is the protocol referees use to determine sanction levels (red/yellow/no card) when there’s:

• Direct head or neck contact
• Dangerous play
• Lack of mitigation (e.g. sudden movement by ball-carrier)

If head contact is reckless or intentional and no mitigation exists, a red card is the expected outcome.

 

[HooperPocockSmith]

But we were up by what 18? This is what anti rugby folks will turn the barstool back to the league and go see the Wallabies are shit. Rugby needed this

I mean we are up against the best of 4 countries, 3 of which are higher than us in the rankings.

 

[Running_rugby_1954]

Genge spent the second half with his elbow on the ground..

 

[KOB1987]

It definitely should have been a penalty and victory to us. But…..we definitely should not have squandered 16 points of an 18 point lead before that.

 

[ACT Crusader]

Plus the jumping over try should have been a penalty to us.

World Rugby Passport - Clarification 3-2022

passport.world.rugby

I don’t read it that way. It was in the act of scoring a try so was good.

 

[Yoda]

Martin Johnson sounding like a fool

Not sounding. Is.

 

[Micheal]

I was one of the people commenting here suggesting that it wasn’t a penalty and that we should move in.

Turns out the law is black and white. It was a penalty. Fuck this fucking sport and its horrendous officiating.