Are there any international coaches who have shown a propensity to chop and change their captain on a frequent basis?
Wallabies 2020
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Michael Lynagh (62)
In expect he'll be given some sort of rest after Japan. At that stage he will have been playing rugby almost non stop for more than a year.
Given that it's a Lions tour year it likely won't be particularly strong opposition for those first 3 tests, so it'll make sense to rest him from at least the first 2, giving McReight/Wright/A.N. Other some time at 7.
wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
Idi Amin played rugby. Maybe he coached the Ugandan national team? He was known for chopping off a few heads in his time.
The Japanese season starts a month before Super Rugby but then ends in May when the Aussie teams are starting the Trans Tasman comp.
Dctarget
John Eales (66)
Wilson
Michael Lynagh (62)
I have a feeling they're already locked in for NZ. Would be great if we do get them though, but in that case it definitely wouldn't be a weaker side.
Wilson
Michael Lynagh (62)
Didn't realize it ended so early, but that is still only a month off at this end. I'd still expect Rennie to rest him to some degree, along with a few of the other established wallabies if we're coming up against Fiji/Japan/Italy/etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_July_rugby_union_tests
I have no idea about the validity of any of it.
According to this we are playing Wales twice and Tonga once.
New Zealand hosting Italy x2 and Fiji
Argentina hosting Scotland x2 and Georgia
France completely missing from that list.
I would have thought it would come down to what he does during the Trans Tasman comp.
If he sits that out he'd go into Wallabies camp fresh after a month's break.
Anyway, we'll see.
Hooper will probably end up playing a lot less minutes in Japan than he would for the Waratahs.
Brumby Runner
David Wilson (68)
Don't agree. For instance, it was right to start with AAA against the ABs and to bring Tupou in later, but against the Pumas it might be better to swap them to put extra pressure on their defensive structure early on.
It might also be better to beef up the second row and backrow because we all know that is a strength of the Pumas. Those sorts of changes should be obvious and are warranted. Just do it.
Brumby Runner
David Wilson (68)
Who's talking about frequent? BH you've changed the discussion just to suit your point of view.
I haven't changed the discussion at all.
My post was a reply to Seb V's comment (albeit I didn't quote it). " I don't believe Rennie has many favourites and I doubt he would hesitate to drop even the Captain for poor form (or someone with better form)."
So I'm following on from the premise that Rennie wouldn't hesitate to drop his captain where other coaches might.
I'm asking whether any international coaches have really done that.
By frequent I mean that they have changed captain for a match or two and maybe reverted back to the previous captain or just generally treated the test captain as not being an overly fixed position. It certainly doesn't have to many changes, just excluding situations where the captaincy has been permanently changed (like switching from Elsom to Horwill in 2011).
Wilson
Michael Lynagh (62)
Weird that France would be missing with us, New Zealand and Argentina all booked up. Still plenty of options for change I guess but you'd think they'd want to have some sort of tier 1 opposition booked in already, even if it was subject to change. Perhaps they plan on heading to Japan.
wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
This dropping Hooper thing is a bit of a can of worms, the more I think about it. If it happens, it has to be permanent as far as the captaincy is concerned, anyway.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
I agree. I doubt Hooper would be dropped by one poor game. 3 poor games in a row then he might. But I also doubt that happening.
But I do think if Rennie were facing the Pocock V Hooper dilemma then the Captaincy might be different.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
I disagee. Sometimes it would be more efficient to look at the opposition first.
Let say they start a 10-12 combo with zero caps and barely a super xv season under their belt. Well you sure as hell know what channel you're going to target. So if the team dynamic and strengths are all out wide, why would you train to spread it out wide, if you know your gunna attack that channel all game? That wouldn't be efficient or logical.
That would be like prioritizing training to kick to the corners all week when you should be prioritizing running it back (dependin on strenghts/weaknesses of the opposition). Now obviously these are pretty extreme examples but you get my point, I don't think there is an order you do things, and I certainly don't think playing to the opposition is last in that order.
I think most team are professional and efficient enough these days to DO BOTH! Focus on themselves and the opposition at the same time.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
Yeh my comment was Rennie not hesitating to drop Hooper on poor form. I didn't mean swapping captain every game. I was more leaning to a situation of several poor performances in a row, with some amazing performances by another 7.
Again, doubt it would happen. But I also don't think Hooper's role in team is as secure as it was under Cheika.
dru
Tim Horan (67)
He doesn’t though (play shit).
I don’t see the huge issue that some do in resting a captain such as Hooper. Let’s face it though it wont be this weekend.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
I never said he did. So I doubt he will be dropped.
I agree on resting for a game. I also very much doubt it will be this weekend, they have had 2 weeks off already and he is very much needed against a firing Argentina. Who will play 6 is really the only big question mark. And the Hodge V JOC (James O'Connor) dilemma.