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Pfitzy

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
WorkingClassRugger said:
There could be an argument made for the likes of ISA in particular should be looked at if they were looking to find a structure that's more open to expanding their participation base. Considering they run two divisions involving 16+ schools. It would also probably be the association to benefit the most from the suggested resources and engagement.
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I think the more schools that play against each other in a suitably structured tournament, the better off everyone will be, from schools right through to Pro rugby.

I completely understand that some GPS schools will kick the shit out of everyone else in a given year, but being the champions of a 6-team comp seems to be far less appealing than a dozen, to me.
 
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WorkingClassRugger

WorkingClassRugger

David Codey (61)
Pfitzy said:
I think the more schools that play against each other in a suitably structured tournament, the better off everyone will be, from schools right through to Pro rugby.

I completely understand that some GPS schools will kick the shit out of everyone else in a given year, but being the champions of a 6-team comp seems to be far less appealing than a dozen, to me.
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The issue is they'll likely do everything in their power to scupper any plans that interfere with their structures. They are quite happy being the be all and end all of schoolboy rugby in NSW. Outside of a Cup comp. they won't want to change anything.

What I'm suggesting is not asking them to change. Or for them to really be involved. I think Rugby would be better served to invest it's limited resources in helping elevate the current structures in ISA while working with them to build a third 8 school tier while looking to set up a similar arrangement with CHS.
 
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eastman

Arch Winning (36)
Pfitzy said:
I think the more schools that play against each other in a suitably structured tournament, the better off everyone will be, from schools right through to Pro rugby.

I completely understand that some GPS schools will kick the shit out of everyone else in a given year, but being the champions of a 6-team comp seems to be far less appealing than a dozen, to me.
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Surprisingly schools also cater for students who don't play rugby, so this may not be suitable for other sports.
 
Braveheart81

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Adam84 said:
What part of Twiggys suggestion that the governance should be be reviewed offends you so much?
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I think it's more about providing some solutions or suggestions rather than the fairly empty statements that don't have a lot of connection with reality.

Everyone would accept that there are issues but the question of what we should do instead is challenging.

At Rugby Australia board level, we went from having member appointed board members to an independent board appointed through a nominations committee. I agree that the Chairperson effectively has too much power but I also don't think returning to the member appointed board members is a better option. That just results in having a NSW/Qld dominated RA where board members are incentivised to act selfishly for their state rather than the overall good of Australian rugby.

As others have mentioned, a big issue of RA connecting with the grassroots is the large number of sub-unions below each state union. RA has no control and couldn't get any without being able to provide a lot of money and I'm not sure that anyone has a realistic suggestion of how this overall structure could ever be changed.
 
sendit

sendit

Bob Loudon (25)
I think private schools are the least of our problems.

The quality coming out of these private schools isn't the issue. It's the lack of involvement from sport schools, public schools & catholic schools. Even if these schools start rugby programs tomorrow, they'll probably never be competitive with the private schools (except maybe the occasional sports high school) and that's totally fine!!

We don't need a "all inclusive" schools competition, we just need participation. There's little to be gained from having GPS/CAS combine, even less from a GPS heavyweight playing some rando public school.

As i said before, let the private schools do their own thing, pretend they don't exist till it's time to pick schoolboys teams
 
Adam84

Adam84

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
Braveheart81 said:
I think it's more about providing some solutions or suggestions rather than the fairly empty statements that don't have a lot of connection with reality.

Everyone would accept that there are issues but the question of what we should do instead is challenging.

At Rugby Australia board level, we went from having member appointed board members to an independent board appointed through a nominations committee. I agree that the Chairperson effectively has too much power but I also don't think returning to the member appointed board members is a better option. That just results in having a NSW/Qld dominated RA where board members are incentivised to act selfishly for their state rather than the overall good of Australian rugby.

As others have mentioned, a big issue of RA connecting with the grassroots is the large number of sub-unions below each state union. RA has no control and couldn't get any without being able to provide a lot of money and I'm not sure that anyone has a realistic suggestion of how this overall structure could ever be changed.
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He provided a solution to what he, and many of us believe is a problem with the governance of RA though. A problem that you yourself also acknowledge.
 
Braveheart81

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Adam84 said:
He provided a solution to what he, and many of us believe is a problem with the governance of RA though. A problem that you yourself also acknowledge.
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Saying we need a new constitution is meaningless though unless you suggest what it should contain.

I would argue that our current corporate governance is significantly better for rugby as a whole in Australia than when NSW and Qld effectively controlled the ARU through their board appointments previously.

It's a difficult situation to resolve really because I don't think anyone really knows what would work better.
 
Adam84

Adam84

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
Braveheart81 said:
Saying we need a new constitution is meaningless though unless you suggest what it should contain.

I would argue that our current corporate governance is significantly better for rugby as a whole in Australia than when NSW and Qld effectively controlled the ARU through their board appointments previously.

It's a difficult situation to resolve really because I don't think anyone really knows what would work better.
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He did make a suggestion, and used an example.
The 2012 review removed NSW’s sole veto power, however QLD & NSW combined still have veto power.
 
rodha

rodha

Dave Cowper (27)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby...ng-offer-to-host-british-and-irish-lions-tour

Rugby Australia has made a "game-changing" intervention over the British and Irish Lions tour of South Africa by offering to underwrite the cost of playing Down Under.

It is understood that Rugby Australia's offer of a minimum guarantee, which has government backing, would ensure a profitable return for both the Lions and South Africa – even if a match had to be played behind closed doors because of a short-notice lockdown.

The offer would effectively remove the financial risk of relocating the tour to Australia, which has been seen as the main stumbling block to the plan for three tests to be played in front of capacity crowds at major stadiums in Perth, Sydney and Brisbane.

"This is a potential game-changer," said one source. "There is so much to like about the Australia option and it would be very popular with the players because it would feel like a proper tour. The sticking point was making the numbers work. With a minimum guarantee from Rugby Australia, that risk would effectively be removed."

It is understood that Rugby Australia's commercial team made a presentation to Lions officials on Tuesday to outline the plan and addressed key financial issues, including any impact that switching would have on key sponsors.
 
Ignoto

Ignoto

John Thornett (49)
rodha said:
The offer would effectively remove the financial risk of relocating the tour to Australia, which has been seen as the main stumbling block to the plan for three tests to be played in front of capacity crowds at major stadiums in Perth, Sydney and Brisbane.
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A double header of a Wallabies game in the afternoon before a B&IL game on a Brisbane winters day would be the closest I'll ever get to what Izzy would say is heaven.
 
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Alan Cameron (40)
Don't often agree with Clark, but his outgoing comments on Alan Jones are IMO HHHHHMMmmmmm correct, not that Clark has lead the place with astute management in fact I see him as part of the problem.

From Fairfax

Bitter and twisted’: Outgoing RA boss slams ‘vitriolic’ Alan Jones

Rob Clarke has left Rugby Australia with a bang, saying former Wallabies coach Alan Jones has lost credibility for repeated attacks on the game and “perpetuating false narratives”

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-...ams-vitriolic-alan-jones-20210226-p5766q.html
 
Rebels3

Rebels3

Jim Lenehan (48)
half said:
Don't often agree with Clark, but his outgoing comments on Alan Jones are IMO HHHHHMMmmmmm correct, not that Clark has lead the place with astute management in fact I see him as part of the problem.

From Fairfax

Bitter and twisted’: Outgoing RA boss slams ‘vitriolic’ Alan Jones

Rob Clarke has left Rugby Australia with a bang, saying former Wallabies coach Alan Jones has lost credibility for repeated attacks on the game and “perpetuating false narratives”

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-...ams-vitriolic-alan-jones-20210226-p5766q.html
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And what hasn’t Clark been astute about in the past 10 months?
 
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