RedOrDead
Charlie Fox (21)
Knox 10+
Barker 10+
Waves will win.
Imagine a repeat of this. It would take all the power of the rugby gods...
Knox 10+
Barker 10+
Waves will win.
Lets stop calling it a Maul as it wasn't, it would require a player from either team.No. Cranbrook never joined the maul BUT ball was never passed back. Therefore, an obstruction never occurred. Play on.
Hopefully the Cranbrook boys learnt something from all this.
"Asks if the jumper retained ball when maul shape forms (not an actual maul as Cranbrook doesn't join)" - RedOrDeadLets stop calling it a Maul as it wasn't, it would require a player from either team.
"Yes. Should have been a scrum restart." common sense isnt a law unfortunately you juststates it should have been a scrum restart. if common sense was a law then sure but it isn't the law states it should've just been a scrum restart"Asks if the jumper retained ball when maul shape forms (not an actual maul as Cranbrook doesn't join)" - RedOrDead
I'm very aware, and covered that in my initial response to the video.
As was already stated. By the laws of the game. Yes. Should have been a scrum restart. But rugby is often criticised for a lack of common sense. Common sense prevails here. Try call was correct on that basis. Even if a scrum was awarded 5 metres out... You're probably seeing a Barker try anyways.
As I've previously stated, if you really think that Barker should be punished in this scenario because they understand the laws of the game and the Cranbrook pack / ref has no idea... I'd say that's illogical.
"Yes. Should have been a scrum restart." common sense isnt a law unfortunately you juststates it should have been a scrum restart. if common sense was a law then sure but it isn't the law states it should've just been a scrum restart
common sense does not over-ride law.Common sense has a place in every sport.
Whistle was blown during the process of diving for a certain try.
Even if it's a scrum 5 out, Barker probably score.
Better team won (as evidenced by only one team understanding the laws). Move on its boring.
Which happened first? Would the player standing next to him have heard the whistle so stopped playing?
common sense does not over-ride law.
the law is the law so it shouldn't have been a try.
we can move on no worries we know it's wrong even though you stated that it should have been a try.
Fun Fact: Waverley have not beaten Aloys at QP1 since 2017.
Imagine a repeat of this. It would take all the power of the rugby gods...
Fun Fact: Waverley have not beaten Aloys at QP1 since 2017.
Fun fact 2:Fun Fact: Waverley have not beaten Aloys at QP1 since 2017.
Even in the court of law equity exists...
Whistle was blown as player is diving. There is quite literally no way the Cranbrook player stops him, he isn't even close. Play on.
And as I've stated... What you are saying is the team who didn't understand the laws should benefit because the ref also doesn't know the laws.
Additionally, even if you believe there should have been a scrum 5 metres out (which I would have preferred, now we have to deal with this), chances are Cranbrook lose.
We are going in circles. So let's leave it here.
Could not agree more. Refs get a call wrong all the time but the thing is that was their decision at the time. It's not a case of common sense or the vibe, that was the decision and should have stood if it was right or wrong. The penalty being blown stops the play on the spot and the touchy doesn't come into it.As a neutral and having watched the play, imo :
The Ref ( who is in charge of the game and should know the rules ) blows the penalty and lifts his arm to Cranbrook as the Barker player breaks from the lineout/maul before the Barker player crosses the try line or dives over and grounds the ball.
The problem is, according to the Ref, he has seen a penalty ( correctly or incorrectly ) and the Cranbrook players make no attempt to tackle the Barker player as the penalty should halt play when the ref blows his whistle.
The Barker players approach the ref, the ref seeks advise from the touchy and after consultation, reverses his decision and awards the try.
Regardless if the ref was right/wrong in calling the penalty ( which ref has never made an incorrect call ), he is the boss. Not the
touch judge. Yes he can take advice but reversing the call is huge and causes these debates.
I don't blame the players for protesting the call cause is a big one yet the original penalty should have stood and no try to Barker.
Imagine if the penalty was awarded, there would be no argument or debate as the Ref had made his decision. Add to the fact the controversy about the touch judges relationship with a player, and the whole world blows up.
Ref needed to stand his ground and back his original decision. He is the one to take the blame for reversing it. No Try
The problem is, according to the Ref, he has seen a penalty ( correctly or incorrectly ) and the Cranbrook players make no attempt to tackle the Barker player as the penalty should halt play when the ref blows his whistle.
The Barker players approach the ref, the ref seeks advise from the touchy and after consultation, reverses his decision and awards the try.
Regardless if the ref was right/wrong in calling the penalty ( which ref has never made an incorrect call ), he is the boss. Not the
touch judge. Yes he can take advice but reversing the call is huge and causes these debates.
I don't blame the players for protesting the call cause is a big one yet the original penalty should have stood and no try to Barker.
Imagine if the penalty was awarded, there would be no argument or debate as the Ref had made his decision. Add to the fact the controversy about the touch judges relationship with a player, and the whole world blows up.
Ref needed to stand his ground and back his original decision. He is the one to take the blame for reversing it. No Try
Could not agree more. Refs get a call wrong all the time but the thing is that was their decision at the time. It's not a case of common sense or the vibe, that was the decision and should have stood if it was right or wrong. The penalty being blown stops the play on the spot and the touchy doesn't come into it.
Fun fact 2:
If Waverley win, it is their 4th premiership in 8 years.
Sadly, the best team Waverley has ever had missed their chance in 2021 due to Covid. So looking at 5 in the past 8 years. With Barker next at 3.
Don't think it's fair to claim 5, even if it was your most talented Waves team. In a 5 round comp anything can happen. This rings especially true for Waverley after that 2019 Waverley team. Multiple professional rugby league and union players on that team (5 I believe), and they struggled to say the least (think they went 2/5 including that Aloys loss).
There was also a kings team with like 12 Australian Schoolboys in the 90's who didn't win the GPS and lost to Joeys at home with some significant ego clashes (apparently).
Anyways, it's fair to say that often the most talented teams don't go on to win.
4 to Waverley.
3 to Barker.
Knox very unlucky not to grab 1 or 2 over the last 8. Some very very strong Knox teams.