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Nathan Sharpe (72)
rugbysmartarse said:
you may get a lot of response to this, as the reasons are many and varied. Boild down to the argument that "he's a knob"
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i reckon if you took his salary and divided it by one of Bruce's telling stats and compared him to some higher paid players using the same formula he'd turn out to be the Tahs best value player. Has he ever been binned - the point being that he does carry on but he never gives the ref any reason to single him out.

Having said all of that he annoys the shit out of me and if there was anyone, anyone at all he'd be out of there: its not really rational. Could be more about the way he plays for Uni. Search me...its the cut of his jib!
 
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What about the stats for points that he squanders? Not personally, but killing the ball with another of his famed "crash balls." Its like having two backlines, those inside Carter and those outside Carter, because he surely plays no part in linking the two.

If Harris is worth 10 points a game, surely Carter is worth -2 trys a game.

But all of this is moot because of course he is a 'defensive-specialist' center, as a rugby player at super level it is only the truly exceptional who can both attack AND defend, and its not a requirement of all professionals.
 
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Tony Shaw (54)
tranquility said:
What about the stats for points that he squanders? Not personally, but killing the ball with another of his famed "crash balls." Its like having two backlines, those inside Carter and those outside Carter, because he surely plays no part in linking the two.

If Harris is worth 10 points a game, surely Carter is worth -2 trys a game.

But all of this is moot because of course he is a 'defensive-specialist' center, as a rugby player at super level it is only the truly exception who can both attack AND defend, and its not a requirement of all professionals.
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Even at test level it seems. The worlds best coach used that justification for selecting two defensive centres last year.
 
wamberal

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
My take on Carter is that he is a great motivator. Of the opposition.


He looks, acts, and sounds like the sort of backline player that any forward would happily smash. On or off the ball.



Plus there is just something about him that would lift the opposition, he just needs to be beaten, and I for one (many years ago) would have put in a lot of extra effort against a player like him. In my day, there were none.
 
#1 Tah

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Chilla Wilson (44)
wamberal said:
Plus there is just something about him that would lift the opposition, he just needs to be beaten, and I for one (many years ago) would have put in a lot of extra effort against a player like him. In my day, there were none.
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The nature of professional sport, software design (which i am actively interested in) and life and the world as we know it, is that things change faster then you can blink. The average life of a commercial piece of software is 18 months, a good rugby career would be 6-7 years and anything around now wont be in 3 years. Saying there was no one like tom carter in your day is pointless, because rugby had no need for someone like tom carter, and the game has evolved since then.
 
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
#1 Tah said:
The nature of professional sport, software design (which i am actively interested in) and life and the world as we know it, is that things change faster then you can blink. The average life of a commercial piece of software is 18 months, a good rugby career would be 6-7 years and anything around now wont be in 3 years. Saying there was no one like tom carter in your day is pointless, because rugby had no need for someone like tom carter, and the game has evolved since then.
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Besides which I reckon there definitely were people like that around in wamberal's day because I reckon his day was about my day: invariably they played breakaway and were highly respected within their team and loathed outside it.
 
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Will Genia (78)
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Vickerman goes under knife again in bid to salvage career

Dan Vickerman has had more surgery in a last-ditch attempt to resurrect his playing career. The Waratahs second-rower had a rod removed from his right shin on Wednesday and appeared at the squad's captain's run yesterday in plain clothes, walking with the help of crutches.​
The Waratahs and the Australian Rugby Union refuse to speculate on the future of the 32-year-old's career until further consultations with their respective medical teams. But it is understood that a prolonged battle with the leg injury - sustained before his return to Australia from England - has driven Vickerman to contemplate retirement.
The rod was inserted into his tibia in 2010 in an effort to relieve stress on the bone. It allowed him to play for the Wallabies in last year's World Cup. But the stress fracture in his shin has continued to cause him considerable pain. It is hoped the rod's removal will help.
Vickerman, who returned to the Waratahs last year after completing a land economy degree at Cambridge University, has also had his shoulder reconstructed.
The Waratahs said last month he was making ''good progress'' following the reconstruction and was on track for a return to the squad's starting line-up by April.
The shoulder problem forced Vickerman to return home early from the World Cup. He was brought back to Australia in May by the ARU on a contract running until the end of 2013. He was immediately drafted into the Waratahs for the final round of last year's Super Rugby season and then named in the Wallabies squad.
Vickerman was yesterday seen speaking with Wallabies coach Robbie Deans, who observed the Waratahs during their captain's run.
 
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Watched Foley on The Rugby Club last night - very impressed with his philosophy and attitude. Quite easy to understand what he's talking about unlike the Dingo.
It will be an interesting study at the end of season 2012 to see how philosophy and attitude have survived what will, I think (not least because of Vickerman/Elsom/MItchell/Turner issues), be a difficult year even by Tahs standards.
 
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David Codey (61)
Inside Shoulder said:
Watched Foley on The Rugby Club last night - very impressed with his philosophy and attitude. Quite easy to understand what he's talking about unlike the Dingo.
It will be an interesting study at the end of season 2012 to see how philosophy and attitude have survived what will, I think (not least because of Vickerman/Elsom/MItchell/Turner issues), be a difficult year even by Tahs standards.
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really?
I see absolutely no change from last years philosophy or attitude. Just a little difference in the way it is spun.
looks like a year of more of the same if you ask me, however am hoping against hope that I am wrong
 
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Will Genia (78)
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I think we just need to come up with a witty nickname for Bernard Foley.

Maybe Reverse Larkham?

Larkham's nickname was Bernie and he was a fullback turned Number 10.

Bernard Foley is a Bernie who is a Number 10 turned fullback.

OK. Now someone come up with something that is actually witty.
 
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Tim Horan (67)
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Braveheart81 said:
I think we just need to come up with a witty nickname for Bernard Foley.

Maybe Reverse Larkham?

Larkham's nickname was Bernie and he was a fullback turned Number 10.

Bernard Foley is a Bernie who is a Number 10 turned fullback.

OK. Now someone come up with something that is actually witty.
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Junior. Because he's the coaches son.
 
waratahjesus

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
I was told by a source that Bernards nickname was "mother@#ker"
This apparently came around due to the fact his favorite movie is Die Hard and he referred to himself as "Die Hard Bernard" so players started calling him M'F'er due to the famous line. We probably can't use that but maybe just

Yippe Ki Yay
 
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qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Is Sitaleki back training yet? It was said he'd be ready round 2. We haven't had a lock on the bench yet and Douglas/Mumm/Dennis have had to play 80 two games in a row it would be best to give Douglas or Mumm a rest to the bench next week.
 
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