Queensland Junior Rugby

[Jets]

Iluvmyfooty I have no issue with who is selected in the squads. I understand that coaches can see talent in some kids that others can't and should be able to try and develop that talent. I just think that the QLD squad should be announced like the NSW squad has been. Then, as a club person, their achievements can be supported and recognized.

Thanks for all the info. I have found it very useful.

 

[Refabit]

Gold Coast Juniors rugby starts this Saturday.
Only problem is that with just days to go, Gold Coast Rugby can't even put out a draw to say who's playing.
No wonder Gold Coast Rugby is on verge of insolvency.

 

[Jets]

The BJRU started last week and we didn't get a draw for games until Wednesday. Round 2 is this week and I have no idea who we are playing yet. It should be all good after the Easter Holidays though.

 

[ripper868]

Gold Coast Juniors Draws - First two weeks are up, can only think they are putting the rest together at the moment.

http://myrugby.rugby.com.au/myrugby/competitions/competitions.asp?orgid=021100

 

[SEATO]

Does anybody realise the the Norths rugby is'nt updated yet

 

[Dark Shark]

Website updates usually depend on someone from a voluntary committee. There are some great volunteers and there are a few who are a lot of hot air. Sometimes the few reflect badly on the rest.

Bjru also take time at beginning of a season as they are waiting for clubs to finalise team numbers and what grading level they may be at for the Sunday players

 

[SEATO]

come to support dib 1 norths at 10:00 am tommorow

 

[SEATO]

should scrum-halfs be judged on their passing or their speed?

 

[SEATO]

I searched around and there wasn't anything for this topic. I don't have a Club Rugby Pedigree so, as a newly installed member of the Committe at Brothers, I often find myself to be a bit like an Amish on rumspringer who wandered into Comicon - I just don't have the background or frame of reference to understand half of whats going on around me. I'm picking it up after a few years coaching Junior teams (very junior teams), but on the whole, I don't know what I don't know.

So I thought, somewhat selfishly, that I would open a thread where all things Qld Junior Rugby could be discussed. Stuff like coaching techniques, who's who in the zoo, new rules, transitions as boys move up the age groups, club politics, BJRU related stuff, etc. Even "players to watch" - I think it'd be hilarious if we could show with historical evidence that we identified the next John Eales when he was playing u9. :lmao:

I'm also happy to answer questions that Club people might have in terms of my area of expertise - ie the Law - to the best of my ability. On the understanding of course that nothing I say would constitute legal advice or counsel and that any of the aforesaid unoffocial personal opinion was provided with a modicum of care and no liability whatsoever

And I have an initial conversation starter -

How do others find the relationship between the Junior Club and the Senior Club at their Club? Are they integrated or separate Incorporated Associations? Any issues with game scheduling, field use, decision making about utilisation of club resources etc? How do you navigate these issues for the benefit of all members and players?

thanks mate, i just signed up

 

[Karl]

What is the appropriate thing to do when, at U11 level, you have kids on the other team doing things like shoving another players head into the grass and saying “Eat Dirt” and following it up with "you Brothers bitches lick balls”.

I told my kid to stay focused on playing Rugby and to just make sure at the next opportunity he cleaned the kid out within the rules of the game, but to make sure he knew his smart mouth was best used for sucking oxygen.

I hate escalating issues needlessly (and in fact have only once mentioned on field conduct to the other team’s manager unofficially after a game), but I would want to know if there were kids on my team thinking it was acceptable to behave like that on a Rugby field.

What do you think is the best way to handle a situation like that?

 

[TheBigDog]

What is the appropriate thing to do when, at U11 level, you have kids on the other team doing things like shoving another players head into the grass and saying “Eat Dirt” and following it up with "you Brothers bitches lick balls”.

I told my kid to stay focused on playing Rugby and to just make sure at the next opportunity he cleaned the kid out within the rules of the game, but to make sure he knew his smart mouth was best used for sucking oxygen.

I hate escalating issues needlessly (and in fact have only once mentioned on field conduct to the other team’s manager unofficially after a game), but I would want to know if there were kids on my team thinking it was acceptable to behave like that on a Rugby field.

What do you think is the best way to handle a situation like that?

Karl - I've coached junior level rugby at both schools and clubs and find that it really is a case by case situation and depends on who the opposition team is. Unfortunately, there are some rugby communities out there at both junior and senior level where they find dirty play and mouthing off on the field to be acceptable.

Its pretty easy to tell from the way the team is supported (positive/negative cheering) whether you having a word to the manager/coach about on field conduct will get any response better than a 'who cares'. If you believe the problem on the field is only with a certain player and it really is a major concern (imo late/high tackles, violence and foul language at junior level are major concerns) then I would approach an official from the opposition and say 'hi, great game today but just a quick thing, I noticed player x punching a few of my guys in the ruck, i'm sure you wouldn't want that going on so maybe just have a word to him'. When players are young especially i'm sure that feedback would be appreciated so they can make sure it doesn't become a habit.

Like I said though, sometimes these problems are bigger than 1 or 2 players. If you're noticing the problem is with multiple players in a team then I don't think having a word to an official is going to change much because if they aren't doing something about it themselves despite it being obvious then they simply don't care. Its shame but thats just the way it works. If thats the case then the best thing to do is talk to your team instead. Say something about how you noticed the opposition players were being dirty but its best not to react. At least then you can sleep at night knowing you're doing the right thing and teaching the young ones how to play the game in the correct way.

I'm not trying to say that everytime you play certain clubs there will be problems because it really depends on the team and coaches etc.

I don't like escalting things either but I feel that junior level there is some responsibility on us as officials and even spectators to keep the game clean and played in good spirits.

 

[Jets]

From the sounds of things you did the right thing Karl. The best way to deal with unsportsmanlike behaviour is to out play them and to physically punish them with in the laws of the game.

 

[Karl]

Thanks for the input. I was going to say something at half time, but we were behind and I thought it might look like sour grapes, then at full time I figured we got there in the end and the boys learned a lesson about ignoring niggle and rubbish like that and that winning the right way feels pretty damn good, so I let it go.

 

[en_force_er]

Thanks for the input. I was going to say something at half time, but we were behind and I thought it might look like sour grapes, then at full time I figured we got there in the end and the boys learned a lesson about ignoring niggle and rubbish like that and that winning the right way feels pretty damn good, so I let it go.

That's a shame, nothing makes me more happy then beating a team who are playing outside the laws.

The issue is often you want to yell at the ref and say "are you seriously not seeing player x doing action y?" but the refs are usually still learning at juniour level and it isn't there fault.

 

[Karl]

That's a shame, nothing makes me more happy then beating a team who are playing outside the laws.

The issue is often you want to yell at the ref and say "are you seriously not seeing player x doing action y?" but the refs are usually still learning at juniour level and it isn't there fault.

We did win, but only just - at half time we were behind 7-5. We slipped to 19-5 after the break then got back to 19-15. With like 3 minutes to go and us inside our 22 with a Lineout against us I thought we were done, but they stole it, got a bunch of phases and backline moves together (which comprise passing it without dropping it really ) and scored basically on full time, finally converted one and ended up 22-19 victors on the whistle. Does that mean we get a 4 try bonus point? LOL. And you're right - it felt like a deserved win given the crap they had to deal with

The boys did very well, and never pulled any silly stuff. They had 3 forwards who looked like they could have been playing u13, not u11 and after they got high and low smashed on 2 consecutive penalty tap restarts they barely ran at us after that. Someone decided to tell the boys they were big but they were marshmellows - but to our backs they must have looked like the Marshmellow Man from Ghost Busters

They were pretty shattered atthe end. They had enough energy to jump around and cheer for about 3 seconds then they found some shade and collapsed.

 

[Karl]

Awesome vids!

 

[Tashara]

Awesome vids!

Thanks Karl,

btw: my nephew plays for Brothers U12s and he has told me similar stories about a certain team he comes up against - it actually sounded very frightening for not only the players, but parents as well. The ref (when approached later) said he was concerned that if he sent one of these players off, that he would be attacked by parents from that team.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

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but the refs are usually still learning at juniour level and it isn't there fault.

Several very senior refs I have spoken to have said that they find the younger the age group they are refereeing, the harder it is to referee.

Yet despite this we tend to put our most inexperienced referees into the younger age groups. At this stage the kids are like information sponges and can learn bad habits which once learned take considerable time and effort to unlearn.

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[Karl]

Some of the BJRU refs are great, most are ok, some are just shockers. What you can do about the shockers is the problem. I mean, as a parent what do you do? Video the entire game (the footage would be often of dubious value in terms of actually showing anything) and then analyze it with a report? What parent has the time for that? And I mean, it's Junior Club Rugby. It's not like there are sheep stations riding on the game. Making a complaint is difficult and often appears to be a case of sour grapes.

 

[Karl]

Separate topic, my boy is trying out for the City Districts u12 team tomorrow afternoon. He'd be playing up a year if he gets in so I don't have any expectations.

What are they looking for mainly at these trials?

I've told him to make sure his work rate is high and that he shows good intensity and to nail any tackle he makes. No time to grab at jerseys. His technique and ability is what it is. He's a lock or second row in his team, but who knows where they'll play him at the trial.

Anyone been here before?