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Waratahs 2013

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Paradox

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Tahs are on a hiding to nothing. Play conservatively grinding rugby and win = criticism. Play expansively and lose = criticism. I think they should have kept it tight in QLD. I'm not suggesting they should play all their games like that, but it was slippery out there and they were super rusty to start with.
 

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Trevor Allan (34)
Tahs are on a hiding to nothing. Play conservatively grinding rugby and win = criticism. Play expansively and lose = criticism. I think they should have kept it tight in QLD. I'm not suggesting they should play all their games like that, but it was slippery out there and they were super rusty to start with.

That would have made a lot of sense but I get the feeling Cheika is going with one game plan in attack - he made it very clear in the press conference on Saturday night that they will keep playing the same way "until the last ball is kicked" this season.
 
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Paradox

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That would have made a lot of sense but I get the feeling Cheika is going with one game plan in attack - he made it very clear in the press conference on Saturday night that they will keep playing the same way "until the last ball is kicked" this season.

Seems to be his mantra but there's a time and place for it. I'm sure you remember that great victory the Reds had over the Stormers in SA.
 

scaraby

Ron Walden (29)
Seems to be his mantra but there's a time and place for it. I'm sure you remember that great victory the Reds had over the Stormers in SA.
Its hard to see if the game plan worked or not as the execution was just so bad for most of the game...thats not the coaches fault.
 

BPC

Phil Hardcastle (33)
It's not really a sphere, more of a gelatinous mass.

I picture it more like a diffuse cloud. There seems to be something there but whenever you try to grasp it, your hands come up empty. Much like Robbie's public comments. You think there is a sentence that conveys information but when you grapple with it, you have nothing.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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Who cares about rugby?

We have DJ Tah Man on the decks.

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#1 Tah

Chilla Wilson (44)
Seems to be his mantra but there's a time and place for it. I'm sure you remember that great victory the Reds had over the Stormers in SA.
Yeah but we're not the Reds. We'll go to Newlands and run the Stormers off their feet.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
That would have made a lot of sense but I get the feeling Cheika is going with one game plan in attack - he made it very clear in the press conference on Saturday night that they will keep playing the same way "until the last ball is kicked" this season.
Personally after years of dross from the Tahs I was happy to see some intent to play from them instead of continuous one out runners until all was lost and they cut free. Indeed I was happy to see them play with such endeavour and lose. I would rather that than them play with the utter boring grind that they have trotted out year after year and manage a slender win here and there.

The only criticism I have, and it isn't isolated to the Tahs in Australian Rugby, is the lack of accuracy and poor execution of skills. The excuses factory run over time as usual to "put it in context" that this was the first game for the poor old Tahs and of course the oldy but goody, the ball was slippery because of humidity/sweat or heaven forbid rain. I am sick of excuses, these are professional players if they cannot handle a damp ball they are not up to the job and they should go back to playing socially. NZ players play a passing and running game in torrential rain and freezing winds without dropping the ball that much in two games. They also kick with accuracy and purpose. Until these basic skills can be executed at least most of the time the Tahs will remain an also ran side.

But apart from that gripe, I was happy that they had a go and they ran with a truly attacking structure and I reiterate, I would much rather that than a continuation of the same old dour game they have played for years. Yes there is a time and a place, but the fact of the matter is for the Tahs, they cannot play that way because they have managed to isolate themselves from all but their most rabid fans and must play free attacking rugby at all costs to win some hearts and minds back. Maybe after they have done that they can play to the conditions and opposition as the situation demands.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Personally after years of dross from the Tahs I was happy to see some intent to play from them instead of continuous one out runners until all was lost and they cut free. Indeed I was happy to see them play with such endeavour and lose. I would rather that than them play with the utter boring grind that they have trotted out year after year and manage a slender win here and there.

The only criticism I have, and it isn't isolated to the Tahs in Australian Rugby, is the lack of accuracy and poor execution of skills. The excuses factory run over time as usual to "put it in context" that this was the first game for the poor old Tahs and of course the oldy but goody, the ball was slippery because of humidity/sweat or heaven forbid rain. I am sick of excuses, these are professional players if they cannot handle a damp ball they are not up to the job and they should go back to playing socially. NZ players play a passing and running game in torrential rain and freezing winds without dropping the ball that much in two games. They also kick with accuracy and purpose. Until these basic skills can be executed at least most of the time the Tahs will remain an also ran side.

But apart from that gripe, I was happy that they had a go and they ran with a truly attacking structure and I reiterate, I would much rather that than a continuation of the same old dour game they have played for years. Yes there is a time and a place, but the fact of the matter is for the Tahs, they cannot play that way because they have managed to isolate themselves from all but their most rabid fans and must play free attacking rugby at all costs to win some hearts and minds back. Maybe after they have done that they can play to the conditions and opposition as the situation demands.

At least we know that if they put in the work and keep playing with positive intent they will improve week by week. We also know that after 4 years, win ugly never got any better - in fact it got worse.
 

WorkingClassRugger

David Codey (61)
Personally after years of dross from the Tahs I was happy to see some intent to play from them instead of continuous one out runners until all was lost and they cut free. Indeed I was happy to see them play with such endeavour and lose. I would rather that than them play with the utter boring grind that they have trotted out year after year and manage a slender win here and there.

The only criticism I have, and it isn't isolated to the Tahs in Australian Rugby, is the lack of accuracy and poor execution of skills. The excuses factory run over time as usual to "put it in context" that this was the first game for the poor old Tahs and of course the oldy but goody, the ball was slippery because of humidity/sweat or heaven forbid rain. I am sick of excuses, these are professional players if they cannot handle a damp ball they are not up to the job and they should go back to playing socially. NZ players play a passing and running game in torrential rain and freezing winds without dropping the ball that much in two games. They also kick with accuracy and purpose. Until these basic skills can be executed at least most of the time the Tahs will remain an also ran side.

But apart from that gripe, I was happy that they had a go and they ran with a truly attacking structure and I reiterate, I would much rather that than a continuation of the same old dour game they have played for years. Yes there is a time and a place, but the fact of the matter is for the Tahs, they cannot play that way because they have managed to isolate themselves from all but their most rabid fans and must play free attacking rugby at all costs to win some hearts and minds back. Maybe after they have done that they can play to the conditions and opposition as the situation demands.

If there was a cheering and applauding smiley you would see a whole row of them across the message right now. It's something that really bugs me. Being professional footballer's they should have these skills well and truly mastered.
 

WorkingClassRugger

David Codey (61)
At least we know that if they put in the work and keep playing with positive intent they will improve week by week. We also know that after 4 years, win ugly never got any better - in fact it got worse.

That's it. I'm expecting a more polished effort this week and very good play in the weeks coming.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
And let's not forget that the vast majority of the professional rugby players in Australia have been part of elite development squads or programmes since their teens. Based on that, something is missing in that process. Elite players should be able to catch and pass both sides and backline players should be able to identify when to kick and how to kick a rugby ball. In at least some of these areas and certainly in terms of kicks in general play, the amateur players of yesteryear had a greater understanding of what to do. Every coach involved in these programmes should be shown a montage of kicks done by JOC (James O'Connor), KB (Kurtley Beale), BB et al in the past 4 years.
 

JSRF10

Dick Tooth (41)
I think we all got a bit giddy after the trial games but in reality a total change of game plan and culture takes time. I believe we'll see it all come together if they stick with it and give it time.
However if we want to make the finals this year it has to come sooner than later but at the very least solid foundations being laid for a finals run this year would be great.
 

Bruce Ross

Ken Catchpole (46)
At least we know that if they put in the work and keep playing with positive intent they will improve week by week.
It having been suggested on more than the odd occasion that I could cynic for Australia, I can only dip my lid in silent admiration of the naïve optimism of the new generation of Waratahs supporters.

"They will improve week by week". I should live so long.
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