Federal Coalition Government 2013-?

[Braveheart81]

Well, we've now seen the clearest examples yet that the Coalition Government has little faith in science or particularly climate science.

1,400 staff at the CSIRO will lose their jobs and neither the Environment Minister nor the Foreign Minister will attend the UN Convention on Climate Change meetings in Poland.

 

[Ruggo]

For all the bullshit spin they spun in opposition, has this government done anything decent yet? The lies are coming to the surface now.

Talk shit Tony Abbott's ridiculous comment about "less Geneva and more Jakarta" is off to a hell of a start. Budget emergency went poof and vanished into thin air. Solving the debt that will burden generations to come replaced with more debt.

 

[ChargerWA]

Well, we've now seen the clearest examples yet that the Coalition Government has little faith in science or particularly climate science.

1,400 staff at the CSIRO will lose their jobs and neither the Environment Minister nor the Foreign Minister will attend the UN Convention on Climate Change meetings in Poland.

The head of the CSIRO refuted this figure this morning. It will affect maximum 300 workers who have fallen under the government wide freeze on hiring new workers/renewing contract workers this financial year.

This isn't an attack on the CSIRO, or climate science, it's a side effect of fiscal belt tightening.

Not saying I agree with the policy, blanket bans are too heavy handed. But it's being sold as something it's not.

 

[Rob42]

For all the bullshit spin they spun in opposition, has this government done anything decent yet? The lies are coming to the surface now.

Talk shit Tony Abbott's ridiculous comment about "less Geneva and more Jakarta" is off to a hell of a start. Budget emergency went poof and vanished into thin air. Solving the debt that will burden generations to come replaced with more debt.

The government can actually do quite a lot without needing the PM to pop up on TV three times a day to announce things might or might not happen. I think Abbott is very deliberately slowing the pace of the media cycle - is that such a bad thing?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

The government can actually do quite a lot without needing the PM to pop up on TV three times a day to announce things might or might not happen. I think Abbott is very deliberately slowing the pace of the media cycle - is that such a bad thing?

He is being rewarded for it in the polls - IMO.
I doubt it is part of his long term plan but stifling the spin cycle might actually open the way to debate about real issues instead of endless pointless announcements.
Another plus is that it is shitting off the journos because internecine tripe no longer writes itself.

 

[boyo]

I don't think that he was saying that "slowing the pace of the media cycle is that such a bad thing", or that "without needing the PM to pop up on TV three times a day to announce things that might or might not happen".

Are you using a strawman argument?

 

[I like to watch]

Pl

For all the bullshit spin they spun in opposition, has this government done anything decent yet? The lies are coming to the surface now.

Talk shit Tony Abbott's ridiculous comment about "less Geneva and more Jakarta" is off to a hell of a start. Budget emergency went poof and vanished into thin air. Solving the debt that will burden generations to come replaced with more debt.

please,give me a list of things that should have been achieved before the first sitting of parliament.
Or are you suggesting that once elected,the Government should have a free reign,and parliament be dispensed with?

 

[The Red Baron]

He is being rewarded for it in the polls - IMO.
I doubt it is part of his long term plan but stifling the spin cycle might actually open the way to debate about real issues instead of endless pointless announcements.
Another plus is that it is shitting off the journos because internecine tripe no longer writes itself.

And what real issues would they be? The ones dictated by the government? Not exactly conducive to open debate if you ask me.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

And what real issues would they be? The ones dictated by the government? Not exactly conducive to open debate if you ask me.

On the contrary.
When the government abandons the daily news grind then it permits others to enter it with their own agendas.
Open debate? You mean the type of slanging matches we've been subjected to for say the last 10 years (or more)?

 

[Ruggo]

The government can actually do quite a lot without needing the PM to pop up on TV three times a day to announce things might or might not happen. I think Abbott is very deliberately slowing the pace of the media cycle - is that such a bad thing?

I have no problem with anybody slowing the garbage 24 hour media cycle. Not for one minute do I think that is his or his governments motive though. Let's just say they some of their bull shit in opposition is harder in the reality of government. That is why this government is hiding.

 

[Ruggo]

Pl
please,give me a list of things that should have been achieved before the first sitting of parliament.
Or are you suggesting that once elected,the Government should have a free reign,and parliament be dispensed with?

Don't worry about the parliamentary process buddy, they have a mandate remember. That's the governments angle and not mine for the record.

How about you explain the complete change of rhetoric regarding the fiscal state? As I have already said, the budget emergency has vanished into thin air and this is the debt that will burden Australian generations for years to come.

 

[Scotty]

Well, we've now seen the clearest examples yet that the Coalition Government has little faith in science or particularly climate science.

1,400 staff at the CSIRO will lose their jobs and neither the Environment Minister nor the Foreign Minister will attend the UN Convention on Climate Change meetings in Poland.

I think this wont end up as bad as reported. The freeze is immediate in new hiring and renewing contracts, but I am sure some reasonable assessment will occur on some of the long term and more important contract positions.

What I do find strange is the number of people on contact. These contracts would have occurred during the last government, which essentially considered full time contracts to be illegal. There was a huge push to eliminate these type of contracts in the private sector (the more people in salary positions the more chance of having them in unions).

It seems very strange that the contravened their own mantra on this - if they hadn't then these people would not have to be concerned for their jobs.

 

[Scotty]

The government can actually do quite a lot without needing the PM to pop up on TV three times a day to announce things might or might not happen. I think Abbott is very deliberately slowing the pace of the media cycle - is that such a bad thing?

A government that is trying to govern (their policies are a different debate) rathe than just control the spin? What will they think of next.

 

[Scotty]

Don't worry about the parliamentary process buddy, they have a mandate remember. That's the governments angle and not mine for the record.

How about you explain the complete change of rhetoric regarding the fiscal state? As I have already said, the budget emergency has vanished into thin air and this is the debt that will burden Australian generations for years to come.

So you don't think putting a freeze on hiring in the public sector has anything to do with getting the budget under control and ultimately limiting debt?

 

[redstragic]

So you don't think putting a freeze on hiring in the public sector has anything to do with getting the budget under control and ultimately limiting debt?

Not giving the RB $8 billion they did not ask for could do a similar thing as well.

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[Bowside]

The LNP's need to come in and fire/not-rehire people is a political statement that makes them look like what people think good economic managers should look like.

But it's horrible for business confidence. And in a more general sense, contractionary fiscal policy like this should be done over time, and in times of general expansion in the rest of the economy.

If want to praise someone for the state of the economy, the man to talk about is Glenn Stevens. And thankfully he's a far smarter bloke than Hockey or Abbott.

 

[I like to watch]

Don't worry about the parliamentary process buddy, they have a mandate remember. That's the governments angle and not mine for the record.

How about you explain the complete change of rhetoric regarding the fiscal state? As I have already said, the budget emergency has vanished into thin air and this is the debt that will burden Australian generations for years to come.

Mandate or not,as things stand now,the Government can only change laws in the parliament,when it is sitting.
The new Government is yet to sit.
I'm not going to defend their pre election rhetoric,but I believe if you should hold both parties to the same standard.
If this is the case,the coalition has a long way to go to match the depths of the previous Government.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

If want to praise someone for the state of the economy, the man to talk about is Glenn Stevens. And thankfully he's a far smarter bloke than Hockey or Abbott.

How do you know that?

 

[Runner]

Not giving the RB $8 billion they did not ask for could do a similar thing as well.

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The 8b to the RBA is for a fund for emergency purposes that they may not even be used, so it at the moment is only and accounting item.

 

[ChargerWA]

The RB needed its reserves replenished and Hockey has taken the opportunity to do it while the public still blames the fiscal situation on the previous government. Politically clever and economically sound. Australia's break neck pace back too surplus was actually only ever an emergency to a Labor government. It was the only way to win over public perception of their economic credentials.

In the mean time the LNP government is watching a strengthening world economy coupled with increased investor confidence and probably aren't too worried about the future. If they continue to cut red tape and encourage foreign investment while selling off government assets we will be back to surplus before you know it.

Like it or not, that's how it will most likely play out.