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John Hipwell (52)
So what did they do wrong?! It was Tuesday nite and they had the next day off.
This was just McKenzie showing them who's the boss. If that's what works for him, good on him.
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So what did they do wrong?! It was Tuesday nite and they had the next day off.
This was just McKenzie showing them who's the boss. If that's what works for him, good on him.
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David Codey (61)
No one disagrees with any of that.
And if it was Links intention to set new standards,terrific.
But why did he forget to articulate this to the entire squad before they left?
And then when he deliberately takes days to "investigate" the issue so it's too late to make immediate disciplinary action,he looks disingenuous.
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Tony Shaw (54)
I don't think they are 'new standards'. That's just it. The boys don't need a rule to say they have to put in at training. They just know that's what's expected of them. If these guys are the sort that needed a rule or someone to tell them what is and isn't a smart decision then maybe they aren't the sort of guys you want in the team anyway. That's probably the point that was being made.
Why was it up to Link to tell them anyway? They're adults and apparently professionals.
And the bit about deliberately taking days to investigate is simply you trying to make him look disingenuous.
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Why was it up to Link to tell them anyway? They're adults and apparently professionals.
And the bit about deliberately taking days to investigate is simply you trying to make him look disingenuous.
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I don't understand all this talk about why didn't they define the rules? etc. The whole story has said when the squad was asked what a reasonable time would be, the answer was agreed at midnight... Clearly they all already knew what they considered reasonable, yet some didn't ensure they were back by a time, which they when asked, concluded was reasonable.
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David Codey (61)
Like it or not,coming home late was something that had been tolerated within that squad.if the coach decides that is no longer acceptable,he should communicate this to his squad.
It is not good leadership to change the rules,tell no one,and then discipline them according to you new regime.
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Tony Shaw (54)
Tolerated? Barely. A blind eye was turned on a select couple and reportedly much to the chagrin of the rest of the squad.
I understand that almost his first order of business when link took the job was to tell the lot of them that things were going to be different under him and that he would be holding them to a much higher standard of behaviour and commitment.
Again, they shouldn't need someone spelling out what each and every expectation is.
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15 players stayed out later than what was later agreed to be the appropriate curfew.
Clearly the squad didn't know what time they were expected to be back at the hotel before their day off.
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Clearly the squad didn't know what time they were expected to be back at the hotel before their day off.
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David Codey (61)
When Link announced the penalties,he would have highlighted the fact he had previously informed the players of the new rules.But he didn't.
And the players would not have blown up about breaking a curfew that didn't exist.
Anyway,we seem to be talking at each other,so we can just agree to disagree.
And the players would not have blown up about breaking a curfew that didn't exist.
Anyway,we seem to be talking at each other,so we can just agree to disagree.
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John Hipwell (52)
15 guys were apparently out late. Seems like it was more than just a select few.
And what does the second bit actually mean? That your day off isn't actually a day off because days off are for players with lower standards of behaviour and commitment? Punishing grown men for being up late or out late on a Tuesday nite, for not living up to an unspoken expectation that you wanted from them on their time-off is just silly.
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I personally don't give a crap how late they stayed out, as long as they are getting the appropriate rest through the weeks its irrelevant... The major issue is, why were they going out on a binge drinking session in the week before a test match?
Even if it was a rest day the next day, thats irrelevant, I'm sure that rest day was not only scheduled for mental reinvigoration of the players but also for their physical rest and recovery. The problem straight up is that alcohol exacerbates soft tissue injuries by increasing blood flow and slowing the repair. Then you have other physical issues of alcohols impact on the central nervous system in impeding the decision making process as well as dehydration of the body.
One or two beers isn't going to hurt the body, but I find it hard to believe these boys were at a bar until the early hours of the morning and only drank less then 2 beers whilst racking up a massive tab on coke and soda water.
Even if it was a rest day the next day, thats irrelevant, I'm sure that rest day was not only scheduled for mental reinvigoration of the players but also for their physical rest and recovery. The problem straight up is that alcohol exacerbates soft tissue injuries by increasing blood flow and slowing the repair. Then you have other physical issues of alcohols impact on the central nervous system in impeding the decision making process as well as dehydration of the body.
One or two beers isn't going to hurt the body, but I find it hard to believe these boys were at a bar until the early hours of the morning and only drank less then 2 beers whilst racking up a massive tab on coke and soda water.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
They weren't?
Did none of them learn from the Wendell Sailor episode?
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So you think they only had a couple of drinks each and called it quits?
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Ken Catchpole (46)
I think it's much better to have very limited written rules and largely let individuals exercise their own judgement as to what they should do.
It promotes a positive attitude of trust from management and responsibility for one's own actions.
When they step outside what would be normally expected, then corrective action should be taken. Hopefully the individuals learn from that and exercise better judgement next time.
That's what adult behaviour is all about.
Putting rules in place of common sense leads to fuckwit behaviour.
It promotes a positive attitude of trust from management and responsibility for one's own actions.
When they step outside what would be normally expected, then corrective action should be taken. Hopefully the individuals learn from that and exercise better judgement next time.
That's what adult behaviour is all about.
Putting rules in place of common sense leads to fuckwit behaviour.
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Tony Shaw (54)
The 'select couple' bit was a reference to the apparent expectations under deans.
And a day off is just a day off. They still have expectations of behaviour and commitment to uphold.
Would it be ok for them all to go get into some peptides on their day off?
Get in a bar fight on their day off?
After all it's their day off. Do they need someone to tell them these things aren't on? Fuck no.
Put it this way, if I was on tour with the Wallabies on the tues before a test and a day off on Wednesday I reckon it would be acceptable for me to go out for dinner and have a couple of drinks. Get a good nights rest. On my day off I would probably do some light training and or recovery and see some sights perhaps. I would probably be pretty insulted if someone told me what time I had to be in bed.
It's a day off from scheduled training. It's not a free for all, anything goes, rage against the system, go do whatever the fuck you want day.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
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David Codey (61)
I have heard that they weren't by and large drunk.
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Just to put things into perspective for some of you "boys will be boys, etc." type fossils. The World Health Organization considers 4 or more standard drinks in one session to be a binge and considerably detrimental to your health. Now I don't know about these Wallabies, but if I'd been out for dinner then kicked on, I wouldn't have hit that point after about 2 hours.
As mentioned a zillion fucking times on this thread too, the "rest day" isn't a "day off" like for a typical civilian. It's a scheduled recovery day. Alcohol in small quantities is detrimental to recovery. What would a session into the AM hours be?
If we were talking about one or two young naïve squad members, you could excuse ignorance. It's a lot of senior members though.
Anyway, back to my original point. It's detrimental to your health. Now is a professional athlete isn't expected to keep themselves in optimal health, I don't know who is. To put things into perspective, a number of senior NRL players don't even go out for a drink during NRL season.
As mentioned a zillion fucking times on this thread too, the "rest day" isn't a "day off" like for a typical civilian. It's a scheduled recovery day. Alcohol in small quantities is detrimental to recovery. What would a session into the AM hours be?
If we were talking about one or two young naïve squad members, you could excuse ignorance. It's a lot of senior members though.
Anyway, back to my original point. It's detrimental to your health. Now is a professional athlete isn't expected to keep themselves in optimal health, I don't know who is. To put things into perspective, a number of senior NRL players don't even go out for a drink during NRL season.
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