The Climate Change Thread
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Rock Lobster
Larry Dwyer (12)
"Except it has. Absolute nonsense, even the IPCC admits this.
2013 was the 4th hottest year on record worldwide and it was the hottest year on record in Australia. Totally irrelevant.
The averages are slowly pushing up which is why more and more heat records are broken around the world every year." The averages have gone nowhere for the last 17 years, FACT. Can't see why you guys continue to DENY this when even the IPCC accepts it.
2013 was the 4th hottest year on record worldwide and it was the hottest year on record in Australia. Totally irrelevant.
The averages are slowly pushing up which is why more and more heat records are broken around the world every year." The averages have gone nowhere for the last 17 years, FACT. Can't see why you guys continue to DENY this when even the IPCC accepts it.
boyo
Mark Ella (57)
Why an actual climate 'reform' is being axed
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-16/jericho-why-an-actual-climate-reform-is-being-axed/5597888
"The Government's most recent Quarterly Update of Australia's National Greenhouse Gas Inventory noted that in the year to December 2013 electricity generation from black coal decreased by 4.1 per cent and from brown coal by 6.9 per cent - both registering their "lowest generation levels in more than a decade".
It found that "natural gas generation also decreased by 7.7 per cent", but that "hydroelectric generation grew by 17.7 per cent" and generation from other renewables (mostly wind and solar) increased by 23.1 per cent (admittedly from a small base).
So there you go. A reform to be proud of - one which did actually improve the thing it was meant to improve, and did it in a way its critics did not think possible. But because it was not a policy that the Government agreed with, it is a reform no more."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-16/jericho-why-an-actual-climate-reform-is-being-axed/5597888
"The Government's most recent Quarterly Update of Australia's National Greenhouse Gas Inventory noted that in the year to December 2013 electricity generation from black coal decreased by 4.1 per cent and from brown coal by 6.9 per cent - both registering their "lowest generation levels in more than a decade".
It found that "natural gas generation also decreased by 7.7 per cent", but that "hydroelectric generation grew by 17.7 per cent" and generation from other renewables (mostly wind and solar) increased by 23.1 per cent (admittedly from a small base).
So there you go. A reform to be proud of - one which did actually improve the thing it was meant to improve, and did it in a way its critics did not think possible. But because it was not a policy that the Government agreed with, it is a reform no more."
redstragic
Alan Cameron (40)
Weed grows fast, massive market for it to fill, we wouldn't care about the monoculture as we all got addicted, although when we burn it, co2.We will just create a monoculture of the worlds fasted growing plants and have a hand in stuffing up another environmental balance.
Get on board Pfitzy, you know it will work.
Win win win lose.
Pfitzy
George Gregan (70)
Weed grows fast, massive market for it to fill, we wouldn't care about the monoculture as we all got addicted, although when we burn it, co2.
Win win win lose.
Hash cakes cooked with solar electricity
WINNING!!!
Mr Doug
Dick Tooth (41)
Ruggo, you are spot on with that new Senator Jackie Lambie variety. A bit fruity, but I would add, a less-than-pleasant bouquet, with a predominantly yellow colour, and a quixotic character, best left to mature for 10 to 15 years, in a very dark environment at a low temperature!
Mr Doug
Dick Tooth (41)
redstragic, I would love to accommodate the Shiraz, Cab Sav, and Merlot grapes from the "threatened" areas, but sadly, we have just re-turfed our back yard, and added two beds of bromeliads!
I agree that many forms of agriculture and horticulture will struggle under a regime of cooler temperatures, however, other plants and animal species will prosper. As recently as last week, a penguin was sited off the northern coast of NSW, and the humpback whale numbers have increase from less than 3,000 to over 20,000 migrating north to escape those colder waters down south!
You would also know that a shipload of Global Warming Alarmists (a.k.a.,'scientists'), expecting to prove that the Antarctic waters were warming, got stuck in the record-high [for a second year in a row] levels of sea-ice. A Chinese icebreaker's captain said "no worries fellas, we'll come and get you", then got wedged in the ice themselves!
I agree that many forms of agriculture and horticulture will struggle under a regime of cooler temperatures, however, other plants and animal species will prosper. As recently as last week, a penguin was sited off the northern coast of NSW, and the humpback whale numbers have increase from less than 3,000 to over 20,000 migrating north to escape those colder waters down south!
You would also know that a shipload of Global Warming Alarmists (a.k.a.,'scientists'), expecting to prove that the Antarctic waters were warming, got stuck in the record-high [for a second year in a row] levels of sea-ice. A Chinese icebreaker's captain said "no worries fellas, we'll come and get you", then got wedged in the ice themselves!
formerflanker
Ken Catchpole (46)
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Phoowr! Now I know what it’s like to be at the bottom of an All Black ruck. In the 1960s. Meads and Kirkpatrick and their boots all over me. With a little bit of Richard Lowe thrown in (thanks BH).
Your ad hominem attack reflects poorly on your ability to argue your case in this forum and I would have assumed our shared enjoyment of rugby would have led you to a reasoned argument with me.
One of my information sources (albeit written by a couple of old guys, paid by oil companies, and without any independent research, operating in totally the wrong field of science) shows me that many current measurements of global temperatures have been totally opposite to the predicted warming of our globe.
The well-referenced, scientifically proven evidence of an unpredicted absence of global warming I refer to is:
1. For GISS, the slope is flat since September 2004 or 9 years, 9 months.
2. For Hadcrut3, the slope is flat since September 2000 or 13 years, 9 months.
3. For a combination of GISS, Hadcrut3, UAH and RSS, the slope is flat since January 2001 or 13 years, 5 months.
4. For Hadcrut4, the slope is flat since January 2001 or 13 years, 5 months.
5. For Hadsst3, the slope is flat since January 2001 or 13 years, 5 months.
6. For UAH, the slope is flat since January 2005 or 9 years, 5 months.
7. For RSS, the slope is flat since September 1996 or 17 years, 9 months.
You may have taken a shot at the messenger, but the message above is that global warming is not occurring at this point in time. It was predicted to do so therefore the models must be wrong. Since they are wrong, we should not be trying to abolish what the models supposed was the cause of CAGW i.e. CO2 emissions.
formerflanker
Ken Catchpole (46)
Tex
Greg Davis (50)
Can someone explain why the last 17 years are being taken as a fair indication of a long-term mean?
Tex
Greg Davis (50)
Also, I'm interested in why people cultivate 'evidence' to counter the understanding of climate change/global warming.
For climate deniers (what a silly term!), there are some pretty obvious reasons to maintain the status quo. Radical changes to power production and consumption will hit the pockets of the established wealth and will fundamentally change power structures.
It's in the interests of these people to deny man's role in climate change.
What's in it for those on the other side of the fence? Trying to redirect the Titanic and build a world that will sustain their children and grandchildren. They're willing to say that our existing values of consumption aren't sustainable and should be altered.
Do they gain financially from this?
The motives behind each movement are compelling arguments in their own rights.
For climate deniers (what a silly term!), there are some pretty obvious reasons to maintain the status quo. Radical changes to power production and consumption will hit the pockets of the established wealth and will fundamentally change power structures.
It's in the interests of these people to deny man's role in climate change.
What's in it for those on the other side of the fence? Trying to redirect the Titanic and build a world that will sustain their children and grandchildren. They're willing to say that our existing values of consumption aren't sustainable and should be altered.
Do they gain financially from this?
The motives behind each movement are compelling arguments in their own rights.
Rock Lobster
Larry Dwyer (12)
"Can someone explain why the last 17 years are being taken as a fair indication of a long-term mean?"
They're not.
They're just used as an illustration to show the models are wrong.
They're not.
They're just used as an illustration to show the models are wrong.
Rock Lobster
Larry Dwyer (12)
These climate models only started when...roughly 30 odd years ago??
Of course they could conveniently fit their models to past climate, however predicting into the future was a different kettle of fish & we now have enough observational data from when they first started making all their predictions to show there is something wrong with those models.
Of course they could conveniently fit their models to past climate, however predicting into the future was a different kettle of fish & we now have enough observational data from when they first started making all their predictions to show there is something wrong with those models.
boyo
Mark Ella (57)
World's media respond to carbon tax repeal
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...pond-to-carbon-tax-repeal-20140717-zu4kz.html
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...pond-to-carbon-tax-repeal-20140717-zu4kz.html
formerflanker
Ken Catchpole (46)
So does Victoria's Age: "Snow falls in Melbourne's outer suburbs." (July 17, 2014).
formerflanker
Ken Catchpole (46)
Not so boyo. Here are some global leaders who are on the same page as our PM:
- Owen Paterson, the British Environment Minister and suspected sceptic who has slashed climate change spending this year by 41 per cent.
- Sigma Gabriel, the German Vice-Chancellor who recently declared the country’s catastrophically expensive attempt to switch to green energy was “on the edge of failure”.
- Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper praised Mr Abbott to the skies for encouraging other countries “to boost economic growth, to lower taxes when possible and to eliminate harmful ones, most notably the job-killing carbon tax”.
Hardly global scorn.
JSRF10
Dick Tooth (41)
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