Homophobic remark in Tahs Brumbies game

[southsider]

What a lot of people are missing here is the historic context of the word. Faggot drags along with it events and attitudes that plagued people for 1000s of years. It's not about language or offence of language. It's about history and context. The the last time i looked bastards and red heads still have the same rights have everyone else. People that identify as being gay don't.

My opinion is that David Pocock is fucking hero. There's a great quote that goes along the lines of "cowards hide behind the freedom their allowed, brave people stand in front of it and fight for it for others." If every child looked up to him we'd have a great future.

I don't think that's a very valid point for this argument, a personal payout is a personal payout, bagging out somebody for something they can't change is the same regardless of the context. Putting someone down for their colour of skin, hair colour, intelligence, race, religion, sexuality, general looks, parents or anything that is uncontrollable should be held in the same regard.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

@papabear, the former is the point that is being made by many on here.

Many people, especially in Sydney, know some or many GLBT folk. By and large they are fairly normal people. Plenty tout their gay friends around as token symbols of their liberal views without having any real understanding of the GLBT community and the issues that they face. I am far from being an expert on those issues.

The alarming suicide rate rolls off the keyboard as just another statistic until, as has happened to me, people you know become part of that statistic. It has happened twice to me, one was a close friend: a stereotypically over the top cheerful openly gay fellow, and one just an acquaintance who concealed his "gayness". I also know of several others that have nearly succeeded in taking their own lives. Telling the survivors to harden up and develop some character didn't seem appropriate. It also didn't seem right to tell the parents of my mate that their son didn't develop a robust enough character.

 

[Scrubber2050]

A mate of mine is extremely highly qualified and works exclusively in the area os suicide.

The higest rate is amongst Transgenders

 

[Braveheart81]

I don't think that's a very valid point for this argument, a personal payout is a personal payout, bagging out somebody for something they can't change is the same regardless of the context. Putting someone down for their colour of skin, hair colour, intelligence, race, religion, sexuality, general looks, parents or anything that is uncontrollable should be held in the same regard.

If the world had a history of persecuting equally based on everything then maybe that would be the case, but it isn't.

There are very valid reasons why we treat racial, sexual and religious persecution more seriously. It doesn't work to just say that it is no worse than paying out someone for having goofy teeth or curly hair.

 

[southsider]

If the world had a history of persecuting equally based on everything then maybe that would be the case, but it isn't.

There are very valid reasons why we treat racial, sexual and religious persecution more seriously. It doesn't work to just say that it is no worse than paying out someone for having goofy teeth or curly hair.

Guess I just don't see it, I know some have more of a history than others but I personally just believe history counts for little in a payout, if someone is looking to personally insult you for something you can't help/change I just feel it should be treated with the same amount of severity

 

[fatprop]

It appears that I should be ashamed of myself more often as I enjoy the works of various irreverent comedians

 

[louie]

Southsider, look up the definition for the term Yarpie, on paper it's meaning isn't all that bad. Call Jacques Potgieter and i think you'd find a much stronger reaction. This is down to it's context and history.

That is why this means so much.

 

[Scrubber2050]

If the world had a history of persecuting equally based on everything then maybe that would be the case, but it isn't.

There are very valid reasons why we treat racial, sexual and religious persecution more seriously. It doesn't work to just say that it is no worse than paying out someone for having goofy teeth or curly hair.

Not true - if you bully someone incessantly about his goofy teeth and he takes it so badly that he hangs himself then tell me the difference

 

[louie]

Not true - if you bully someone incessantly about his goofy teeth and he takes it so badly that he hangs himself then tell me the difference

it is not a common prejudice to be discriminated against for having bad teeth. It is if you are gay. That's the difference.

 

[Braveheart81]

Not true - if you bully someone incessantly about his goofy teeth and he takes it so badly that he hangs himself then tell me the difference

That is the difference between a societal issue that affects a broader group of people (like homosexuality being illegal or aboriginals not being recognised as people) and something that is directed at one person.

Of course if you bully a single person about anything for enough time you are going to cause damage.

This whole line of argument seems to boil down to wanting people to accept that racism, homophobia and sexism is not a big issue and nothing worse than being called a silly name.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

^^ With enough money you can get poorly aligned teeth fixed.

Science is still yet to discover how to fix homosexuality.

 

[southsider]

Southsider, look up the definition for the term Yarpie, on paper it's meaning isn't all that bad. Call Jacques Potgieter and i think you'd find a much stronger reaction. This is down to it's context and history.

That is why this means so much.

I understand that but (what I took away) from what you said in your last post is that history and context make some personal insults worse than others.....which is what I don't agree with

While there is no great historical meaning or context my brother has red hair, got bullied daily in high school got diagnosed depression etc etc. for him saying ranga is just as bad as ni.g.ga and fag etc

 

[southsider]

That is the difference between a societal issue that affects a broader group of people (like homosexuality being illegal or aboriginals not being recognised as people) and something that is directed at one person.
.

We are talking about the year 2015 yea?

 

[Braveheart81]

We are talking about the year 2015 yea?

Yes, but you're asking people who have experienced extreme prejudice in their lifetimes to just forget all of that because now they only experience milder discrimination.

As has been mentioned before in this thread, the most prominent voices telling people they need to get over racism, sexism and homophobia and that it's no longer much of an issue are predominently white men who have experienced none of these issues.

 

[I like to watch]

^^ With enough money you can get poorly aligned teeth fixed.

Science is still yet to discover how to fix homosexuality.

I thought Tom Cruise & friends thought they had a cure for it?

 

[louie]

Southsider, you have said on these forums before that you believe their shouldn't be gay equality in this country (in the marriage equality forums, i went back and reread them before posting this). It's hard to take anything you say on this issue seriously.
You trying to make that insult equal to all others is an attempt justify your own prejudice towards gay lifestyle. Instead of arguing with stupid points just come out and say it? Stop to make out like this isn't a big deal. This is a huge deal. What has happened is not ok. and it never ever ever will be.

 

[southsider]

Yes, but you're asking people who have experienced extreme prejudice in their lifetimes to just forget all of that because now they only experience milder discrimination.

As has been mentioned before in this thread, the most prominent voices telling people they need to get over racism, sexism and homophobia and that it's no longer much of an issue are predominantly white men who have experienced none of these issues.

im not asking anything, don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying that alot of people that fall into these categories wern't even alive during these times of extreme prejudice so it is in many cases a moot point

2 people have mentioned that in the last half dozen pages or so of this thread, one of which is yourself, don't think you need to really quote yourself do you? aaaaand your point is? are you insinuating i'm white? not homosexual? i don't see why else you'd include it in your post otherwise? you know sweet FA about me and the majority of other posters on this forum, i could be a little green man from outer space for all you know

 

[boyo]

In years past being a "bastard" often meant terrible things, It hurt, Nowdays the world has changed and there are heaps and heaps of bastards running around. Im sure that if you called a chap who was, by definition, a bastard, he would be greatly offended. It is also a word that probably be deleted from the English language

Vic Richardson, the vice-captain, turned to his team. "All right, which one of you bastards called this bastard a bastard?"

 

[southsider]

Southsider, you have said on these forums before that you believe their shouldn't be gay equality in this country (in the marriage equality forums, i went back and reread them before posting this). It's hard to take anything you say on this issue seriously.
You trying to make that insult equal to all others is an attempt justify your own prejudice towards gay lifestyle. Instead of arguing with stupid points just come out and say it? Stop to make out like this isn't a big deal. This is a huge deal. What has happened is not ok. and it never ever ever will be.

ive said that i dont think they should marry because i believe marriage to be a religious ceremony, im all for civil unions etc (should also note i dont agree with hetro people who arent religious being married either)

my uncle who i am close with is gay, one of my best friends is gay (we often share a bed when our group goes away on holidays) and i enjoy going to mardi gra when i can, i was even at the colombian about a month ago and enjoyed watching a male pole dancing show and regularly frequent marly bar in newtown. hardly the behaviour of someone who hates "gay lifestyle"

 

[southsider]

and when in any of my posts did i say what jacpot said was ok and pockock is a horrible person for bringing it up? my initial post was a rhetorical question asking how far punishments for sledging would go in the future