Homophobic remark in Tahs Brumbies game
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So an objection to homophobia is now taking the moral higher ground?
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When people start posting photos or Memes you know the thread has run its course
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This thread had run it's course a couple of days ago, it is now just a place where posters can demonstrate their moral superiority and mock outrage
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David Wilson (68)
No, I'm just somewhat amused at how people are rushing to prove how morally superior they are to everyone else.
I thought it was accepted abut 20 pages ago that homophobic insults and other derrogatory name calling have no place on the sporting field.
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Surely you realise these aren't constructive posts, yea some people are more liberal in mindset then others but that doesn't mean they think they are morally superior or some enlightened being.. It's just a different mindset and something which people can be emotionally invested in..
If you think someone is been ridiculously over the top and want to raise that with them, then direct a comment at them directly rather then the broader "people".
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Mark Ella (57)
I understand NOW why the Brumbies forwards were so dirty about the comment made. The coconut always falls close to the tree.
Could have been handled in a better way. Pocock CHOSE his response knowing that the Ref was miked up and it would become a firestorm.
Pocock won't captain the Wallabies because the ARU doesn't want a bloke using the position to push HIS views upon the wider community. The bloke is not particularly liked by a lot of his peers.
He will be very lucky to make the 23 as Hooper has smoked him at all levels irrespective of injury.
Would love to see him have a crack at politics. A possible Senatorial position for 1 term with a fringe party then disappear into oblivion.
ATM rugby is his conduit for expressing his opinions and that is fair enough - no problems from me.
But in the conservative rugby world ( whether you agree with that or not) his actions will have consequences.
Could have been handled in a better way. Pocock CHOSE his response knowing that the Ref was miked up and it would become a firestorm.
Pocock won't captain the Wallabies because the ARU doesn't want a bloke using the position to push HIS views upon the wider community. The bloke is not particularly liked by a lot of his peers.
He will be very lucky to make the 23 as Hooper has smoked him at all levels irrespective of injury.
Would love to see him have a crack at politics. A possible Senatorial position for 1 term with a fringe party then disappear into oblivion.
ATM rugby is his conduit for expressing his opinions and that is fair enough - no problems from me.
But in the conservative rugby world ( whether you agree with that or not) his actions will have consequences.
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David Codey (61)
I really think you are overthinking his thought processes.
In the heat of the battle he heard something and complained to the ref.
no different to complaining about someone not rolling away,or some fucking 9 that won't hand over the ball.
When things had calmed down,and he had time to think,he went the soft option and claimed he didn't actually hear it himself.
In the heat of the battle he heard something and complained to the ref.
no different to complaining about someone not rolling away,or some fucking 9 that won't hand over the ball.
When things had calmed down,and he had time to think,he went the soft option and claimed he didn't actually hear it himself.
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Alfred Walker (16)
Interesting post Scrubber.
Pocock's choice of audience and stage is my problem. He has become the issue, together with the perception that he is personally tackling a huge problem of homophobia in rugby. Or, according to the Guardian, Australian male professional sport in general. It was interesting that the Guardian failed to quote the number of gay athletes playing in the professional football codes in Britain.
The existing machinery worked well and within 24 hours JP had apologised and been fined. In my opinion Pocock should have taken action behind the closed doors to initiate that response. A far better outcome would have been achieved as a demonstration that the ARU and the Super Rugby franchises do not accept homophobia in the sport.
Instead we have this. Has a market opened on the 2016 AOTY?
And as a retired and now fat hooker I want everyone to understand that the next poster who criticises fatprop will have to deal with me! We are a significant and growing minority who carry a lot of weight in the community.
Pocock's choice of audience and stage is my problem. He has become the issue, together with the perception that he is personally tackling a huge problem of homophobia in rugby. Or, according to the Guardian, Australian male professional sport in general. It was interesting that the Guardian failed to quote the number of gay athletes playing in the professional football codes in Britain.
The existing machinery worked well and within 24 hours JP had apologised and been fined. In my opinion Pocock should have taken action behind the closed doors to initiate that response. A far better outcome would have been achieved as a demonstration that the ARU and the Super Rugby franchises do not accept homophobia in the sport.
Instead we have this. Has a market opened on the 2016 AOTY?
And as a retired and now fat hooker I want everyone to understand that the next poster who criticises fatprop will have to deal with me! We are a significant and growing minority who carry a lot of weight in the community.
Why should this have been dealt with behind closed doors?
This has been an overwhelmingly positive story for Australian Rugby.
This has been an overwhelmingly positive story for Australian Rugby.
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John Hipwell (52)
Is this a serious post? I really can't tell.
Especially because
has to be a joke. Has to be. I know it made me laugh.
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David Codey (61)
Huh?
It was dealt with behind closed doors,albeit quickly.
Apart from what was seen on ref cam,no one involved made any comment on what transpired at all.
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Mark Ella (57)
Mate
Pocock is an intelligent thoughtful bloke, he knows the power of the media and CHOSE to air the matter in that way. However, rightfully or wrongly consequences, behind closed doors will surely trickle through ontp Pocock's rugby future.
Personally I would be very surprised if another Australian franchise would touch the bloke. The Brums have him.
Overall in the modern world nothing less would have been expected, whether by Pocock or another player.
The rules are there, have been aired and I suspect there will be very little sledging whether "innocent" or not.
The assertion has been made by many that Pocock and Moore shouldn't have approached Joubert during the game so it didn't become a public issue.
Ahh no it hasn't, there was no benefit to the Australian Rugby brand whatsoever in highlighting to the world that homophobic taunts are still happening...
Shit we even made Prerez Hilton
http://perezhilton.com/2015-03-23-c...ofessional-player-fined-gay-slur#.VRMzz_mUdIU
Plaudits for the ARU's handling of another issue is not better than having no issue filling the headlines
I'd argue that it has very much been a positive story, everyone knows taunts like this exist, yet nobody has yet stood up and called it out for what it is, unnacceptable. You can't have a go at Pocock without having a go at Moore, he stood next to him and echoed his sentiment. I think the fact that two previous Wallaby captains have taken a stand IS a positive story. The sincere apology from Potgeiter (who isn't an Australian player), the fact that it was out of ignorance and not malice, and the ARU's swift and firm stance on the matter only helps things further.
I disagree. I don't think many people are naive enough to think that this is a problem faced only by rugby and only in Australia.
The swift treatment of the issue by the ARU and the fortitude of Moore and Pocock to call it out as inappropriate I think greatly outweighs the fact that Potgieter made homophobic slurs on the field and that has become a public issue.
This has not been sidetracking the media from their in-depth rugby analysis...
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Mark Ella (57)
I thibnk it so refreshing to have a coupke of sensitive men like Poey and Moore raising the issue.
Pocock knew exactly what he was doing . Moore I reckon was backing up his teammate
Pocock knew exactly what he was doing . Moore I reckon was backing up his teammate
So you'd rather rugby protect its brand by covering up homophobia and dealing with it non-transparently (if at all), than to have players and the broader organisation actively work to counter the issue?
That is patently NOT what he said. Try reading posts first. He is saying it would be better if no issue existed in the first place, rather than having to find a positive in an organisation actually dealing with it as they should do.
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