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Reds v Rebels Rd 14, 2015

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RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
Ruggo post # 237: + 1.

A few additional comments:

> If KH is not a 13, what is he then? If he was on $75k pa, that's one thing, for someone on c. $700k pa, that's another. We can hope for more, but it's going to have to start blossoming soon.

After how many Tahs games did IF start really showing what a major asset he could be, justifying his cost? Less than a season's worth. He certainly showed it in BIL 1 at Suncorp.

> If the Reds want to be S18 champs again - what a radical thought!, and why the fuck not - they will surely have to recruit some classy Fijian wingers. Fiji is just a bio-genetic factory for men who are perfectly cut out for rugby 11 and 14s, they have it all, the stature, the pace, the strength. People forget the huge value of Rod Davies' pace - and QC (Quade Cooper)'s wondrous skill in exploiting it - in the Reds golden years of 2010-11. Real, real pace on the wing is going to get more important not less as modern defences improve in skill and size and technique, as they are. And we need to start that process of uncovering and recruiting now.

> IMO, Gill's total skill set likely now exceeds Pocock's. RWC games from the SF's on are typically of a type where a stealing, pilfering, penalty-winning-at-breakdown 7s who can also link and offload well (yes, that's Gill) in rapid go-forward moves are simply invaluable. Hooper is a magnificent 'second outstanding 12 who plays at 7' and in games where that skill can flow, great. But that skill won't be of the greatest value in the hardest RWC games, Gill's will and he should go to London.

> Holmes for London is a no brainer. A test of Cheika's selection objectivity. And let's not forget Holmes' generally very low injury count over many years with the Reds, a secondary bonus when assessing props squad risk for the RWC.

> That CFS and so many other relatively new Reds players have not developed since 2012 is as I've said many times one of the more serious indictments of the decline in technical, developmental coaching within the Reds' HPU over that period. Just look at the rapid improvement in so many Rebels players over 2014-5, ditto the Tahs since 2013. The contrast is startling with our many Reds staying-just-as-they-were from day 1. Reason # 36 to urgently upgrade the whole Reds' HPU.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Hunt not a 13 in my view. Did some good things in attack but his defensive read was terrible.

He looks more like a 13 than any other position.

His defensive reads will improve, it isn't like the Reds backs have been an effective defensive unit for about two years and it was his first game their for ages.

He makes a good foil for a crash bang 12 (in the Conrad Smith style)
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
He looks more like a 13 than any other position.

His defensive reads will improve, it isn't like the Reds backs have been an effective defensive unit for about two years and it was his first game their for ages.

He makes a good foil for a crash bang 12 (in the Conrad Smith style)


First of all, I didn't support the signing of these big names so not really interested in squeezing them in. If they don't fit, they don't fit. 13 isn't a weak position for the Reds. You mention Conrad Smith and funny enough we have a player already that fills that Mr Reliable kind of no thrills role with Ant Fainga'a, we won the title with him at 13 and he has one of the best defensive reads in the country. He is the one who controls the on field structure in defense for the Reds as Smith does in the sides he plays in. I don't care if he plays 12 or 13 but Fainga'a has proven crucial to the Reds in that role.

Inside Smith, I wouldn't call Nonu that crash bang 12 as he is far more dynamic than that. I would go as far to say that I haven't seen a full time 12 with such silky skills since Tim Horan.

In a starting Reds 15 I see Hunt at 15 and his skills applied in a Peter Hynes type manner though a bit more dynamic than Hynes allowing him to insert himself into the attacking line a bit more. Funny enough I see the same in JOC (James O'Connor) so have no problem with a one or the other.

With Cooper due back in a couple of weeks, that will also change the Reds backline dynamic and I think the Reds coach (or baby sitter coach) should keep that in mind.
 

Garry Owens

Alan Cameron (40)
This game . the 2nd half especially , just confirmed one thing . You have to punt Richard Graham

i would like to see Lolo Fakaosilea see more game time around the 60m mark. Schatz is workmanlike but underwhelming and Fakaosilea is ( potentially ) the punch we've been missing since we lost Samo and Higginbotham

How good does Genia look with a forward pack that showed some balls toward the end of the 1st and into the 2nd when they took it to the Rebs . Gill is the King and Slips , Holmes and Hanson all had excellent games .

Cooper is due , but honestly ( and it's hard to know ) but I would much rather run McIntyre and Green in development minutes to finish out the season against the Sharks and Chiefs

Thankfully...the Lachie Turner at fullback nightmare is over and JOC (James O'Connor) is where he should be .

Be interesting to see if they can build on this
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
17993 officially from the Reds

On June 1, 2013 the identical game at Suncorp gained a crowd of 31,504.

The decline in just two years is huge.

The numbers tell the story better than anything else could: the Graham era is threatening the commercial viability of the QRU.
 

dillyboy

Nev Cottrell (35)
Just watched the game after getting home from hospital (nothing sets up the weekend like the unexpected need for a pacemaker - but that's another story) and all I can say is thanks for cheering me up & bringing a smile to my face reds!!!

I knew you had it in you - now lets just punt RG and finish off the season with a bag of wins!!!!
 
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