Reds 2016

[Braveheart81]

To me his playing ability has nothing to do with talent identification.

The Broncos has an old bloke named Cyril Connell (i think) who scoured the State for young players. I don't remember if he was a great player or not but he certainly identified a lot of guys who made it to the top.

I know he (Cordingly) was personally involved in a lot of contract negotiations with players that ended up leaving the franchise. His attitude, demeanor and general inter- personal skills were just terrible.

Was he trying to wrap a ribbon around a piece of shit though?

I have no idea about his interpersonal skills, but the things I can see are:

1. Sean McMahon, the best young player out of Queensland in recent years was signed by the Rebels when Cordingley was still at the Rebels.

2. The Reds Under 20s are the best team in the country this year (to potentially be confirmed this weekend) whereas NSW has been ahead of them in recent years.

The talent identification seems to have improved at the Reds since Cordingley started working there.

If his primary role is keeping existing players with the organisation then he is ostensibly doing a bad job. It would seem to me though that at most professional sporting teams it is the coaching staff and GM/CEO who are more charged with determining signing priorities and contract budgets.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Was he trying to wrap a ribbon around a piece of shit though?

I have no idea about his interpersonal skills, but the things I can see are:

1. Sean McMahon, the best young player out of Queensland in recent years was signed by the Rebels when Cordingley was still at the Rebels.

2. The Reds Under 20s are the best team in the country this year (to potentially be confirmed this weekend) whereas NSW has been ahead of them in recent years.

The talent identification seems to have improved at the Reds since Cordingley started working there.

If his primary role is keeping existing players with the organisation then he is ostensibly doing a bad job. It would seem to me though that at most professional sporting teams it is the coaching staff and GM/CEO who are more charged with determining signing priorities and contract budgets.

Disagree totally in respect of your penultimate paragraph.

And if his role is not a part of " determining signing priorities and contract budgets" then what the fuck does he do ?

 

[Braveheart81]

Disagree totally in respect of your penultimate paragraph.

And if his role is not a part of " determining signing priorities and contract budgets" then what the fuck does he do ?

Since Cordingley started at the Reds, which young players have ended up elsewhere that should have been signed? Who has been signed instead that is inferior?

Do you think the coaching staff just gets given their squad of players and don't have the majority of the input on both re-signing priorities and signing targets?

Do you not think the coaching staff and CEO have most of the input over who is most important and at what price?

Cordingley will be heavily involved in those contract negotiations, but at the end of the day I really don't believe it is his decision who is kept, who is not and how much the club is willing to move dollar wise in order to retain certain players.

 

[I like to watch]

BH, you've drawn the longest bow giving him the credit for signing McMahon.
Even casual Rugby supporters knew he was talented.
And if he's not responsible for determining signing priorities & contract budgets at the Reds.He certainly didn't have that responsibility in a more junior role at the Rebels.
And his title doesn't suggest he had much impact in the current success of the 20's squad.

 

[Braveheart81]

BH, you've drawn the longest bow giving him the credit for signing McMahon.
Even casual Rugby supporters knew he was talented.
And if he's not responsible for determining signing priorities & contract budgets at the Reds.He certainly didn't have that responsibility in a more junior toke apt the Rebels.
And his title doesn't suggest he had much impact in the current success of the 20's squad.

He was involved in recruitment at the Rebels at the time McMahon was signed who is quite clearly the best young player Queensland has produced in the last few years.

I could be completely wrong but my understanding of the scouting/recruitment job is far more about identifying players who might be off the radar because they are young or less well known than it is to be reviewing players who are on TV every weekend.

I also don't think it's a case of telling the head coach who his best players are.

 

[I like to watch]

I don't understand your point about McMahon.
Again,EVERYONE knew he was talented.
Pretty sure you made the point several times that due to a large number of highly rated,young back rowers already contracted by the Reds, couldn't accomodate McMahon.

Is there a point to why you are interpreting the core duties of a scout/recruiter?

 

[Braveheart81]

I don't understand your point about McMahon.
Again,EVERYONE knew he was talented.
Pretty sure you made the point several times that due to a large number of highly rated,young back rowers already contracted by the Reds, couldn't accomodate McMahon.

Is there a point to why you are interpreting the core duties of a scout/recruiter?

My argument is that everyone is hanging shit on Cordingley for being bad at his job yet I can't find much evidence to suggest that.

I think the Reds made the wrong choice to pass up McMahon in order to keep older and less talented backrowers and that was before Cordingley's time.

Since he joined the Reds it seems like they've done a better job or securing the young players coming out of Queensland.

The point of discussing his core duties is that people seem to consider him responsible for deciding which players are re-signed and which players are let go.

If Richard Graham truly hasn't been responsible for choosing who has been in his squad for the last couple of years and it was all down to who Cordingley thought should be retained or let go then the Reds are an absolutely stupid organisation. I just don't believe that it isn't the coaching staff who have the greatest say over the playing squad.

 

[Scrubber2050]

My argument is that everyone is hanging shit on Cordingley for being bad at his job yet I can't find much evidence to suggest that.

I think the Reds made the wrong choice to pass up McMahon in order to keep older and less talented backrowers and that was before Cordingley's time.

Since he joined the Reds it seems like they've done a better job or securing the young players coming out of Queensland.

The point of discussing his core duties is that people seem to consider him responsible for deciding which players are re-signed and which players are let go.

If Richard Graham truly hasn't been responsible for choosing who has been in his squad for the last couple of years and it was all down to who Cordingley thought should be retained or let go then the Reds are an absolutely stupid organisation. I just don't believe that it isn't the coaching staff who have the greatest say over the playing squad.

Of course the HC has the major say - don't think anyone would disagree with that.

In respect of young players I refer to my previous comments about "talented" youth and the fucked criteria they are OFTEN (not always) chosen.

If Cordingly's job is, in a major capacity, to "negotiate" with players in respect of retention or signings he is poor, particularly in his very limited skills.

You mention a "stupid organisation" - well they moved a wee bit slow on RG (2 years slow) which has put the Reds behind other Australian Conference teams. Should have shown Cordingly the door at the same time and actually get a professional to do the job, whatever that job is...

 

[I like to watch]

Not really BH,
one guy said he was an average player,and it was just another jobs for the boys.
Another said he knew that he had performed poorly in negotiations with contracted players.
And me,challenging one of two of you assertions.
But anyhoooo,back to the Rugby....

 

[Beer Baron]

As mentioned before - Cannot see Cordingly having much say over KH, JO'C, Goro. Nor with the retention of Quade leaving ($$$ and no Wallaby 10 were surely the big issues there), Genia (Tried to leave to the Force pre Cordingly). Those decisions have pretty bit $$ implications (less Goro. as I have been informed).

I'd say Cordingly puts a wish list forward and the powers to be pick and choose.

Note: This is all speculation and I reserve the right to argue the opposite later on

 

[Scrubber2050]

Shit I hate it when my team has a bye

Good for players no doubt but tough on supporters.

 

[upthereds#!]

Cordingly is the head of pathways and list management. So seems to be going alright at pathways. Probs helps with scouting with gilmore for the u20 teams, other groups for the un17 squads etc and also for NRC teams maybe?

 

[Rugrat]

Professional list management is the cornerstone of long term success at any sporting organisation in any code. In league and union Qld has very strong pathways due to Gps school rugby and club rugby. Identifying talent within this area in your own backyard is easy. Every premier coach in Brisbane can cover that.The hard part is providing and securing alternative options from outside your backyard. This is the key role in recruitment and based on the current player list completely non existent at the Reds.

 

[Rugrat]

Sam Greene playing at fullback was outstanding for the filth tonight against the bankers. This kid has speed, fantastic pass and can draw a player so well. How he isn't starting or getting some decent game time for the Reds is beyond me. Play him please Reds.

 

[Serge]

Strongly agree with Rugrat. McIntyre has not delivered any performance that would indicate he can play at this level so it is way past time to try someone different. A 10 that goes forward and can attract the inside defence is critically needed and will make the world of difference in creating opportunity for the rest of the backline.

 

[Mr Doug]

Prior to the Reds AGM, it was suggested that three Directors would be standing down.
Did that actually happen, and if so, who were their replacements, and are they likely to be any better than the retiring Directors?!

 

[RugbyReg]

It's all in the previous pages Doug.


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[dru]

It's all in the previous pages Doug.


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Not really Reg.

There was a roll... Moving a few names. And Mr Doug's questions are germane. Not too late to ask, either. Who are the new guys?

 

[RugbyReg]

Here you go then.

Elections
The meeting elected Jeff Miller as the new QRU President with Tony Shaw stepping down after six years in the role. Vice-presidents Bill Ross and Andrew Slack were re-elected to the roles. Damien Frawley was also re-elected as Chairman.

Board Member Mark Connors was re-elected to the Board.

Board Member Paul McNicholl was re-elected to the Board.

Mark Stanton was elected to the Board.

James Beirne is a Board appointee to the QRU Board.

All Board members elected or appointed were endorsed by the QRU Nominations Committee.

In addition, David Crombie AM - an iconic figure of Queensland Rugby and a treasured member of the Australian agricultural community – was elected as a QRU Life Member.

Notes to Editors:
Jeff Miller – QRU President
Originally born in Arizona in 1962, former Queensland and Wallabies flanker Jeff Miller and his family made the move to Australia in 1965. He was then introduced to Rugby Union at De La Salle College in Scarborough.

Following school, Miller first played Brisbane Club Rugby for Teachers/Norths where he modelled his game on Chris Roche before making his debut for Queensland in 1982 at the age of 19. Despite being selected for the Wallabies tour to Italy and France at the end of 1982, Miller battled for Queensland and Australian selection throughout the early stages of his career with Roche, GPS’ David Codey and Wests’ Julian Gardner.

1986 was a turning point for Miller, with the flanker making his Wallabies debut during the Australian side’s tour of New Zealand at Carisbrook. A controversial ‘no try’ decision robbed the Wallabies of a win. The series and the Bledisloe Cup hinged on the third Test at Eden Park, and it was in this match that Miller made his mark as Australia won convincingly by 22 points to 9.

Miller was a regular in in the Queensland and Wallabies sides thereafter and featured for Australia at the 1987 Rugby World Cup. In 1989 Miller also played against the touring British & Irish Lions, taking part in the brutal ‘Battle of Ballymore’ match.

Miller played his last game for Queensland in 1991, fittingly in a match against Wales at Ballymore. He was carried off the field after the match on the shoulders of Michael Lynagh and Cameron Lillicrap, whom he had played club Rugby with for University of Queensland as well as at a state and national level. Miller went on to play in the pool stages of the 1991 World Cup, but was unfortunately omitted from the semi-final and final with then head coach Bob Dwyer opting for more height in the back-row, introducing Souths’ loose-forward Troy Coker to the starting XV.

In an illustrious career, Miller gave his all in 69 games for Queensland and 26 Test matches. After retiring from Rugby, Miller moved into coaching and was assistant coach to Rod Macqueen when the Wallabies won the World Cup in 1999 in Wales. He then moved on to become the high-performance general manager for the Wallabies before becoming CEO of Queensland Rugby Union. When Andrew Slack resigned as coach of the Queensland Reds, Miller returned to coaching as head coach of the Reds from 2004 to 2006.

David Crombie AM – QRU Life Member
A proud Queenslander who was raised on the land, David Crombie AM is an iconic figure of Queensland Rugby and a treasured member of the Australian agricultural community.

Crombie's contribution to Rugby in Queensland has spanned many decades. He developed his passion for the sport as a schoolboy at renowned Rugby nursery Anglican Church Grammar School, before linking with University of Queensland to further his Rugby career and study.

Crombie enrolled an economics degree at the University of Queensland in 1962. While studying he represented University in Queensland’s thriving A-Grade Rugby competition. After his first taste of Premiership victory with the Under 19 side in 1962, he went on to play in seven consecutive Premiership Grand Finals, winning four.

Crombie's 1965 club season concluded with him slotting a difficult kick into a gusting wind from far out to win the match. Over the 100 games Crombie played for his club, he tallied an outstanding 997 points. Crombie's club success and kicking talent saw him become Queensland Rugby’s first choice Hooker for four years.

During this time, he represented Queensland in sixteen games and amassed 91 points with 21 penalties and 9 conversions. The second of Crombie's 16 Queensland caps was the first Interstate game held at a newly opened Ballymore. The list of opponents also included Victoria, Ireland, France, Fiji as well as the Australian Combined Services side who he helped to defeat in both his first and final State games. Crombie also travelled with the Wallabies on their Jubilee tour to New Zealand in 1967.

After his playing career, Crombie had a long-standing and extensive involvement in Rugby as an administrator at club, State and national level. Crombie served as Queensland Rugby Union Chairman from 1999 to 2003 and as the QRU President from 2005 to 2010.

After serving a term as Vice President, Crombie was elected as President of the Australian Rugby Union in 2013 where he hosted the hugely popular tour by the British and Irish Lions. He stood down in 2015 after finishing his two-year term. During his Presidency he ensured the sport always recognised the significant contribution of Queensland to the health of the code.

On Australia Day in 2014, Crombie was recognised as a Member of the Order of Australia, for his services to agriculture, sport and the community.

Crombie's passion for sport, especially Rugby, and agriculture is ingrained through his bloodlines. His family originally emigrated to Australia from Scotland in 1853, settling in the Goldfields in Victoria where they supplied meat to the miners. The family subsequently moved to Warwick in southern Queensland where Crombie still operates family property producing grain and cattle.

The list of businesses and community groups Crombie has been involved in is long and diverse. Throughout his distinguished professional career Crombie has held positions including Chairman of Meat & Livestock Australia and President of the National Farmers Federation, as well as serving as a Director of AACo and Graincorp.

James Beirne
James Beirne is a senior finance executive with more than 25 years’ of progressive experience that bridges commercial growth with financial and operations management, most recently with Aurizon and Brambles.

Mark Stanton
Mark Stanton, a chartered accountant, has had a successful career leading a number of SMEs. He has made an extensive contribution to community Rugby and was recently awarded life membership of Brothers Rugby Club. He also spends time managing his own philanthropic initiatives. He is married with four children.



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[TOCC]

Strongly agree with Rugrat. McIntyre has not delivered any performance that would indicate he can play at this level so it is way past time to try someone different.

McIntyre also delivers strongly at QPR level and performed as good if not better then Greene at NRC level.. I'm happy for the Reds to try something different, but the pessimist in me says that Greene will struggle in the same structure that McIntyre has struggled, after 4 to 5 games people will be saying the same things again and demand that the Reds try an alternative 5/8 after Greene fails to fire.