School sporting scholarships/recruitment

[Inside Shoulder]

There are a series of Sports High Schools dotted around the State for those that believe sport is paramount.

What's more is that they don't come with the heavy school fees requirement that accompany a private school enrollment.

and they do ok in the HSC I think

 

[Not in straight]

There used to be Agricultural High Schools that were supposed to specialize in Agriculture. Some of which even played Rugby.

Now they are just Selective High Schools with Agriculture left in there name.

Not sure what the requirement is to gain entry into a Sports High School.

One I know of is known to have a very bad drug problem.

 

[formerflanker]

On a slightly related note, I see that Brock James now leaves Clermont after 10 years, for a 2-year contract with La Rochelle.
Brock moved to Scots on a rugby scholarship in the late '90's from Sth Australia after his selection for the Australian under 16s.
Good luck to the man the locals call their "Petit Prince".
Not a bad career.

 

[JuanBarn]

Not sure what the requirement is to gain entry into a Sports High School.

One I know of is known to have a very bad drug problem.

Local catchment and you're in. If you want to be part of their sports program there are some interviews and selection trials/assessments of sporting prowess. There is also an anual compulsory contribution to their sporting program of between $600-$1500 depending on the sport.

Plenty of drug problems at GPS/CAS/CIS/CCC schools as well. Just better hidden behind the cast iron gates.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

^^^ and better quality drugs.

 

[Quick Hands]

Unless sport is paramount its hard to justify a scholarship free for all.

And the Brisbane GPS schools have had a scholarship free for all for a few years now. It doesn't appear to have either lessened the number of mismatches or done anything to improve the standard of rugby played. It's just created a "guns for hire" mentality in which the schools with the most active talent spotters and the biggest bursary fund win all the time.

 

[bigmac]

Seems your colours weren't always black and white if you know that trivia: the 78 side beat New at Stanmore in the last game to stop them winning the premiership outright.
I think you'll find that the 2006 went OK too and are actually responsible for the existence of this thread.

David kirk agrees

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[bigmac]

pretty sure that was not their golden age either

We won a few games in the early nineties. The rot set in from 94 onwards. Things picked up in 05 and 06 but then came the dark times and new and scots changed their approach as mentioned by david kirk.

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[Hugh Jarse]

New now has a waiting list.

Perhaps the marketing via the enrollment anomalies winning rugby premierships has been a wise business strategy. Educationally - time will tell.

 

[Not in straight]

New now has a waiting list.

Perhaps the marketing via the enrollment anomalies winning rugby premierships has been a wise business strategy. Educationally - time will tell.

Enrollment demand and Rugby success.

Don't think these 2 things are linked.


Anyway that's my take on it from a Shore perspective.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

I think NEW have struggled to fill to their max class intake in recent times when their Rugby team was performing poorly in AAGPS competition.

With recent Rugby success they are now full, with a waiting list.

Tin foil hat says cause and effect.

 

[Quick Hands]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

 

[formerflanker]

Enrollment demand and Rugby success.

Don't think these 2 things are linked.


Anyway that's my take on it from a Shore perspective.

Dr Lambert had a very different perspective at Scots. His sequential strategy appears to have been:
Step 1. Ensure rugby (and basketball and cricket) success with top flight players.
Step 2. Build a world-class rugby (and rowing and basketball) program with facilities, time to train, and coaches.
Step 3. Enrolment demand rises as prospective parents (especially those with talented sons) see the benefits of giving their sons access to the world class sporting facilities at a winning school.

 

[loiterer]

Enrollment demand and Rugby success.

Don't think these 2 things are linked.


Anyway that's my take on it from a Shore perspective.

In Shore's case enrolment success led to complacency, at best. They did at least manage to build a magnificent grandstand to watch their under-resourced 1st XV lose each week.
Shore now seems to have worked out that they actually need to have a rugby programme, for it to work, they need to create a positive rugby culture and get their A teams performing to their potential. They have some seriously good coaches within their programme who, in the near future, will get Shore rugby where it should be.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Enrollment demand and Rugby success.

Don't think these 2 things are linked.


Anyway that's my take on it from a Shore perspective.

I recall new justified their recruitment by reference to a decline in numbers due to the GFC. Winning a few premierships placated the old boys and rose coloured the glasses of all the parents of future wallabies.
All this despite New not having been a historical rugby powerhouse, though they did play the first game, IIRC.

 

[Quick Hands]

Dr Lambert had a very different perspective at Scots. His sequential strategy appears to have been:
Step 1. Ensure rugby (and basketball and cricket) success with top flight players.
Step 2. Build a world-class rugby (and rowing and basketball) program with facilities, time to train, and coaches.
Step 3. Enrolment demand rises as prospective parents (especially those with talented sons) see the benefits of giving their sons access to the world class sporting facilities at a winning school.

Don't think there's a waiting list at Scots though.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Dr Lambert had a very different perspective at Scots. His sequential strategy appears to have been:
Step 1. Ensure rugby (and basketball and cricket) success with top flight players.
Step 2. Build a world-class rugby (and rowing and basketball) program with facilities, time to train, and coaches.
Step 3. Enrolment demand rises as prospective parents (especially those with talented sons) see the benefits of giving their sons access to the world class sporting facilities at a winning school.

how's his rowing program going????
the one thing you can't import success in!

 

[Joker]

Greeting from sunny Drummoyne, hosts of the Under 13 State Championships.
Who do we see early on at the BBQ but one gentleman from Scots (who I know professionally) and two from Cranbrook (who both worked at Scots previously) . Both dressed to impress with clipboards handy...

 

[Joker]

how's his rowing program going????
the one thing you can't import success in!

But it does get you a lovely venue to host parties.

 

[Black & White]

I think NEW have struggled to fill to their max class intake in recent times when their Rugby team was performing poorly in AAGPS competition.

With recent Rugby success they are now full, with a waiting list.

Tin foil hat says cause and effect.

If memory serves me correctly, the Newington intake of 2010 was about 150 boys. We field only four rugby teams, although the 13As were immensely talented.

But that year was the beginning of New's rise as a schoolboy rugby power. Be it largely confined to the top teams.The 2011 intake hit 240 boys and we fielded seven rugby teams in the 13s. This increase enrolment, is often accorded to our 2010 rugby success. Also we had a new Headmaster who has proven to be "Mover and Shaker". The previous Headmaster had a controversial time and many felt that this was the real cause for a decline in enrolment numbers.

Irrespective, most Old Boys I have spoken to, feel that that success in Rugby has been good for the image of the school. The belief is that if your school is perceived as poor in one area, it tends to reflect an institution failure in leadership, motivation and attitude within that School. Success is a Public Relations Asset and promotes the School and even a sense of pride and well-being amongst the boys,parents and Old Boys. Failure invites a perception that something is wrong at the school. Although other factors such as an unpopular Headmaster may be the real issue at hand.