Bledisloe 2 - Wallabies vs All Blacks, Wellington, 27 August 2016
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Tim Horan (67)
Crumbs. It sounds like Cheika is taking over from Quade as rugby enemy no 1 in NZ.
waiopehu oldboy
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Looks like someone wants to be Gregor Paul or Chris Rattue when they grow up....... Then again it's no worse than the shite Fairfax & NewsCorp serve up on this side of the Tasman from time to time.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
I think we are letting Cheika off pretty lightly. This seems pretty accurate to me:
Rod Mcqueen never did, IRCC.
At a purely practical level once the coach lets his emotions overcome him its highly likely he's not undertaking appropriate rational analysis of what is going on.
That conclusion is supported by his selections.
Its also supported by a point in the second half when he picked up his mike 3 times to say something, dropping it each time because he actually had nothing to say. His emotions got the better of him.
So too when he was talking about the Franks citing: either he should have gone through with his own citing or he should have said little or nothing about it.
Its all very well for us to sound off on here in any terms the mods will let us get away with but we actually play very little if any role in producing the necessary performance.
Wayne Bennett never gets emotional.
Rod Mcqueen never did, IRCC.
At a purely practical level once the coach lets his emotions overcome him its highly likely he's not undertaking appropriate rational analysis of what is going on.
That conclusion is supported by his selections.
Its also supported by a point in the second half when he picked up his mike 3 times to say something, dropping it each time because he actually had nothing to say. His emotions got the better of him.
So too when he was talking about the Franks citing: either he should have gone through with his own citing or he should have said little or nothing about it.
Its all very well for us to sound off on here in any terms the mods will let us get away with but we actually play very little if any role in producing the necessary performance.
tragic
John Solomon (38)
Expressing emotion does not equal lack of control.
In fact individuals that do probably possess more emotional intelligence than individuals that don't.
Vent, get over it, and move on. It's the lack of the last two steps that is the problem, not the first one.
Venting happens in every coaches box in every sport. Provided it isn't associated with a physical response it's a non issue. And to be fair Cheika hasn't done that as the wallabies coach.
waiopehu oldboy
Stirling Mortlock (74)
^^^^^^^^ now that's some proper writing right there, rugby or otherwise.
Froggy
John Solomon (38)
Forgetting Cheika venting in the coaches box, about which I don't give a shit, one of the big defensive problems we have is players positioning themselves to make a tackle.
When you are cover defending against a man running at pace, you have to run at an angle to put yourself level to just fractionally in front of the man. That way, he can't beat you on the outside, and if he tries to step insde you he is only likely to step into you, or at worst step back in towards the remainder of the cover defence.
In the case of both Cooper and DHP's missed tackles that let in a try they were guilty of letting the man get too far outside of them (presumably so that the man couldn't step back inside them) and because the attacker was faster than them, they weren't able to get close enough to them to effect a proper tackle. This will happen every time if you try to shepherd a man outside you wider if he's faster than you (believe me I know, most people I tackled were faster than me!)
If they had both run an angle slightly more towards the corner post, they would have had a genuine chance of making the tackle, or at worst shepherding the runner back in towards the defence.
Of course, these basic defensive lines really shouldn't have to be taught to a test footballer!
When you are cover defending against a man running at pace, you have to run at an angle to put yourself level to just fractionally in front of the man. That way, he can't beat you on the outside, and if he tries to step insde you he is only likely to step into you, or at worst step back in towards the remainder of the cover defence.
In the case of both Cooper and DHP's missed tackles that let in a try they were guilty of letting the man get too far outside of them (presumably so that the man couldn't step back inside them) and because the attacker was faster than them, they weren't able to get close enough to them to effect a proper tackle. This will happen every time if you try to shepherd a man outside you wider if he's faster than you (believe me I know, most people I tackled were faster than me!)
If they had both run an angle slightly more towards the corner post, they would have had a genuine chance of making the tackle, or at worst shepherding the runner back in towards the defence.
Of course, these basic defensive lines really shouldn't have to be taught to a test footballer!
Froggy
John Solomon (38)
Likewise when player are running through at a man who has, say, taken a kick.
If you just run straight at the man, he can easily go either way and beat you (even though it makes for the more spectacular 'big hit'). However, if you are marginally to one side, the ball carrier can only go one way, or els step stright into you, and you've got him. It was remarkable the number of Wallabies who chased a kick or dropped ball through hard, ran straight at the man, were stepped and left with thin air.
If you just run straight at the man, he can easily go either way and beat you (even though it makes for the more spectacular 'big hit'). However, if you are marginally to one side, the ball carrier can only go one way, or els step stright into you, and you've got him. It was remarkable the number of Wallabies who chased a kick or dropped ball through hard, ran straight at the man, were stepped and left with thin air.
Joe Blow
Peter Sullivan (51)
I have to say that I agree 100% with Spiro regarding Cheikas petulant handling of the refereeing on the weekend. It is not in the spirit of the game or of Australian rugby. There are other more subtle ways to handle such matters that are much more effective and when carried out behind closed doors limit damage to the game as a whole.
Not a good sign for us moving forward and Cheika needs to change his approach quickly or this will be looked back on as the beginning of the end of his tenure.
Not a good sign for us moving forward and Cheika needs to change his approach quickly or this will be looked back on as the beginning of the end of his tenure.
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All Black Magic
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Well said ,
What coach likes losing -its a thankless task and people react in different ways.
Hero or Zero they call it.
What coach likes losing -its a thankless task and people react in different ways.
Hero or Zero they call it.
waiopehu oldboy
Stirling Mortlock (74)
TGC's game plan for Wellington has been hacked:
Nice one! Possibly true.
waiopehu oldboy
Stirling Mortlock (74)
'twas in the NZHurled therefore must be true. MUST BE, d'ya hear?
Brumby Runner
David Wilson (68)
I agree to an extent that Cheika mishandled the referee communication issue, but what exactly leads you to believe that the ARU hasn't been raising these issues with the referees' head honcho or with World Rugby behind closed doors over a period of time. If they haven't, I'd say they were somewhat derelict in their duty to the Wallabies and to the fan base.
If there is no response to confidential approaches, as I suspect might be the case, the issues really have to be aired in the public domain. Just not by Cheika in the manner he did. ARU should be releasing any such approaches to the press to ensure they get a proper response to their concerns.
This has been an ongoing problem for the Wallabies for the past year or so, and has often involved the same referees, Poite and Owens seem to be the main protagonists. The ARU should, if it hasn't already done so, make representations to never have either of these two refs appointed to a Wallabies' game again. If necessary, it should be done out in the public gaze.
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
Chek is "passionate" blah blah.
Personally I don't give a shit about the hoo ha in the coaches box.The cameras om;y go there to see the coaches reaction to a play.
Maybe the easiest way to fix it is just have a one way mirror. That way we all miss out on the entertainment factor
Personally I don't give a shit about the hoo ha in the coaches box.The cameras om;y go there to see the coaches reaction to a play.
Maybe the easiest way to fix it is just have a one way mirror. That way we all miss out on the entertainment factor
Strewthcobber
Andrew Slack (58)
Or he could just sit somewhere else
Pfitzy
George Gregan (70)
But not near any cameras
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