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David Codey (61)
Does NFJ have an official capacity with any club?
What can they possibly do to the ARU apart from cornering the Shiraz market,so the Board will be forced to drink young cab savs or blended wines
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What can they possibly do to the ARU apart from cornering the Shiraz market,so the Board will be forced to drink young cab savs or blended wines
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John Thornett (49)
He's hoping that Lindfield can be elevated to the Shute Shield so they can legitimately pay players
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Haha ILTW I got a good laugh out of that one!
They are angry but a couple of things they don't have that the nsw clubs do.
1) ready access to the ARU.
2) a voice. It's really Pappy pushing it isn't he? A bit of Poido. Those guys have profile and an outlet (media would listen to them). With all respect I don't think there is a Brisbane club president with any sort of profile that people would stop to listen to. Perhaps Anthony Herbert who is GM at GPS and even that's a stretch (and I don't think the club want him talking on behalf of the club).
Just my theories.
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Peter Johnson (47)
I totally agree Reg!
I don't get the posturing when we (or the ARU) can simply reply with the question of what have you got to offer the game (not Sydney or NSW rugby - the game nationally) to help it financially or improve its sustainability beyond sticking out your hand?
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Tony Shaw (54)
If only for the priceless mirth to be enjoyed (if that's the word) in reading JON's responses to the Papworth draft letter, this article is well worth consuming and further quotes the Papworth letter in full:
http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/10/2...ng-an-uprising-from-former-wallaby-champions/
http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/10/2...ng-an-uprising-from-former-wallaby-champions/
That's actually one of the few things Spiro has written in the last decade that hasn't made me dry heave.
Some reasonable analysis there and good to see the inputs from various parties (even if one is anonymous).
Some reasonable analysis there and good to see the inputs from various parties (even if one is anonymous).
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Phil Hardcastle (33)
An excellent self assessment of his own magnificence.
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Tim Horan (67)
I found it predictably disappointing.
I have felt that a lot of this thread had devolved into the pertinacious quite some time ago, but how many actually believe anything positive will result from the Papworth revolt? Does anyone else see a potential for disastrous consequences?
None of this imo is good.
Trying to piece together my thoughts on this issue in a bit greater detail:
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/making-sense-of-the-latest-grassroots-saga/
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/making-sense-of-the-latest-grassroots-saga/
I definitely think he could have said something negative against O'Neill, particularly not just tacitly accepting that there was nothing wrong with the ARU and O'Neill during his first stint as CEO.
I also think it's easy to conflate the issues though by dwelling too much on the past.
The recurring theme across all these letters and arguments is that issues across 20+ years are being lumped together and largely being placed at the feet of Pulver because he is in charge now.
It becomes very difficult to reach any sensible conclusions unless you break down the problems to what is being faced now and what is being done to try and help the situation.
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Michael Lynagh (62)
I just read papworths letter - seems just a rant with lots of problems highlighted but very little/ light on solutions. To fix rugby it needs different stakeholders working together on identifying the problems but more importantly finding solutions that can be implemented over time. Taking a sectional interest and only looking at one layer rather than all the layers which are interconnected is not helpful.
I am not sure I find the letter that constructive personally.
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David Wilson (68)
I think that with JON's intervention, we've now reached high farce.
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Michael Lynagh (62)
The Jon defence - not me sir - it is others fault - I think Jon protests too much - I guess if the mud sticks...
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Would the Murray-Darling river system run at full flow if the Pulverisor gave $100k to each of the Shute Shield Clubs like they used to do in the good old days?
Rather one dimensional and one sided argument from the Shute Shield Mafia. They all seem to be listening to that old radio station WII-FM.
It is easy being the Leader of the Opposition. Just have to criticise without actually having to propose any genuine alternate plan.
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Did Eastwood or Randwick win any Shute Shield Premierships when they were given $100k pa from the ARU to pay their First Grade players?
Rather one dimensional and one sided argument from the Shute Shield Mafia. They all seem to be listening to that old radio station WII-FM.
It is easy being the Leader of the Opposition. Just have to criticise without actually having to propose any genuine alternate plan.
WII-FM - What's In It - For Me
Did Eastwood or Randwick win any Shute Shield Premierships when they were given $100k pa from the ARU to pay their First Grade players?
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David Codey (61)
How many years since SS clubs received $100k grants?
That argument is a furphy anyway,as I believe that they need to be spending multiples of what they currently spend on juniors (kids).
Pulver has either been poor in explaining what and where it's spent,or he's been deficient in investing in the grassroots (kids).
Anyone have any idea what infrastructure is in place to convert viva participants into fully franked weekend warriors?
Or is osmosis the current strategy?
That argument is a furphy anyway,as I believe that they need to be spending multiples of what they currently spend on juniors (kids).
Pulver has either been poor in explaining what and where it's spent,or he's been deficient in investing in the grassroots (kids).
Anyone have any idea what infrastructure is in place to convert viva participants into fully franked weekend warriors?
Or is osmosis the current strategy?
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Michael Lynagh (62)
This summit does concern me if inviting to this largely just a bunch of relics from rugby's past. As of course they can contribute but would find it scary if their views dominated as they don't have the modern day experience of what today's sports fans and participants want from a rugby product as a competing entertainment product. I want innovative ideas from other codes considered, views of broadcasters who understand what their viewers want in terms of appealing sports content, amongst all the rugby stakeholders. If we don't look outside for innovation as well as within we have no chance.
We also need some strategic skills involved who can help ensure the problems and root causes are appropriately defined and we don't end up focussing just on symptoms.....
We also need some strategic skills involved who can help ensure the problems and root causes are appropriately defined and we don't end up focussing just on symptoms.....
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David Wilson (68)
You'd think that with the amount of flak that the ARU cop over grass roots support - not just in these threads but in the mainstream press - that they would take particular care to ensure that exactly what they do spend is very very clearly enunciated. If he has good news to tell, you're right in saying that he's been particularly poor in selling it. There is also the possibility that the news isn't as good as he's asserting.
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