Chiefs v Reds, Rd 11, Sat May 6th, 5;35pm AEST

[Forcefield]

Brock James is on €300,000 a year. No way he'd come back.

I'd prefer we had Hamish Stewart starting and making the mistakes QC (Quade Cooper) is.

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He has been on good money for many years now- maybe its not everything. He is in the twilight of his career and maybe he is interested in settling down to retire back in Aus. Maybe he mentors a few young ins through. Maybe he builds toward a coaching (kicking) career. Tony Brown made a great return a few years back.

If there isn't more than money, why is George Smith back?

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

If we can get three more than other teams do we get a bonus point?

Yes but it's a negative one.........

 

[The torpedo]

Reds must be winning comp for most yellow cards & penalties conceded

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Penalties, yes

Yellow cards is led by Jags - (we're P2)

 

[liquor box]

Shit kicking has really hurt the Reds today. Dare I say it, but Quade certainly isn't the messiah. Time to go looking for a marquee 10.

Either the coach doesn't watch the game or is the most patient forgiving person on earth.

For Cooper to make so many shit kicks in one game and not get hooked indicated either Stiles doesn't care or it is a game plan to not kick it out.

I am a massive QC (Quade Cooper) fan but cannot fathom how he remained on the field with so many poor kicks.....hence why I think it has to be a plan. (stupid plan letting any NZ team have the ball).



Another point on QC (Quade Cooper), why would a coach who knows his team will lose (honestly at 60 minutes it was unwinnable and even earlier if totally hones) leave his most important and injured play maker on the field? Sub QC (Quade Cooper) and let someone else get a crack, either from the bench or a reshuffle of the back line. Give QC (Quade Cooper) a rest and more importantly let some experience as a backup before he really stuffs his knee and we have to replace him.

I just find it hard to have any faith in our management or coaching staff.

 

[liquor box]

Wft was Quade’s game management?

Taking a droppy in front when you’ve turned down penalties?

On attack, ball in hand, then lofts up nothing popgun kicks, easily marked. Too low to allow any chase. Too high to have a chance to find space. With Kerevi standing outside you? Wft.

I dont think drop goals are used enough, this does not mean I like them but if you know that you opponent will have a shot at any given time your defence has to adjust.

I would also imagine that if everytime you got to the opponent 20m line you took a successful drop goal you would get more points that trying for a try.

 

[liquor box]

My opinion:

Players probably good to start for a Super Rugby side:
- Ben Lucas
- Zack Holmes

Players worth a punt on:
- Sam Lane
- Sam Greene
- Andrew Deegan

Players who might be passed it but worth considering:
- Berrick Barnes
- Brock James

I want the Kings 10, he should be available and has quite good skills.

 

[liquor box]

Yeah, it is sad to watch. (Well not for some contributors who seem to have a pathological fixation on every one of his mistakes or missed tackles, but that's probably better left to my psychologist to unpick.will bring it up next session.. but I digress.)

But. if it wasn't him this year I struggle to work out who else we could have signed from within the Australian player base - I'd be reticent to sign a foreign marque at 5/8 as it is a such an important position we need to strengthen at options for Wallaby level. Not wanting to put the mock on Bernard Foley but he is one injury away from the Wallabies being royally f$%^&* IMHO.

I'll hold off banging the drum again for Sam Lane for the Reds as I know that is only because I am a one-eyed Marlins fan. (And no I don't mean he should be in Wallaby selection consideration, to me just a level-headed, smart 5/8 who I think deserves another shot at super level.) Serious question - who were our other options?

We (the Reds) dont have to, the ARU needs to offer some incentive for us to not be as good as we can be.

An example of this, if when Racing 92 merge and have excess player Dan Carter wanted to play for the Reds then I would take him, stuff the Wallabies I want the best possible player in every position not matter where they are from.

If they are Australian then good, if they are from QLD then great but I want to bloody win games, not be a possible v probables for our national team.

the ARU is responsible for putting in place systems to provide decent players.

 

[Forcefield]

I am with Liquor Box to an extent. With five teams, it is okay to have marquees. What would not be okay would be to have more than two marquees playing the same position (e.g. if 3 out of the 5 teams had marquee flyhalves) or if good Wallaby prospects are moving overseas because of the presence of the marquees.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Seriously, the answer is hiring a marquee 10?

Who's moving to Brisbane when they can play in France/Japan/ the UK for more money.

Just laughable

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[Sully]

What really annoys me about the Cooper bashing is the fact that it absolves the 22 other players and tje coaches of blame. My advice would be that when our team gets about 40 points put on them it's more than one persons fault.

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[dru]

I dont think drop goals are used enough, this does not mean I like them but if you know that you opponent will have a shot at any given time your defence has to adjust.

I would also imagine that if everytime you got to the opponent 20m line you took a successful drop goal you would get more points that trying for a try.

We were also down a man, taking points (in the planning if not the execution) and chewing time from sin bin clock is not a bad option. At least one of those earlier refusal to kick penalty decissions ended up with a 5 pointer.

Quades kicking execution very often was poor. But it seems to me most of it had an intention, not just hail Mary. As we know Link considered Quade to be a very good executor of a game plan. Big problem here is with whoever is setting this game plan. I've said it before, can we bring Chook back?

We had problems in the line out and scrums. Some really good stuff (maul try from a throw to the front end of the line - you dont see that too often). But had some significant shit work in the set piece too.

The Chiefs too frequently made easy yards in the tough stuff.

We had poor defence in the centres. Quade was forced to put his body on the line" he's got the pecker but not the technique and got owned more than he made good (a couple were good). But where is the defensive plan? How come we needed to rely on him on those occassions?

We could not match the awesome Chief defence once we were in their 22. Loosing 25m when you are in red zone attacking areas is crap. How many times did that happen? Shall we blame the 10 for this? There was poor handling plenty, though not as bad as two games back.

Thought Higgers is showing he can muscle up to play a tight 8. Thought both Tui's did OK.

Thought Tuttle is making development progress and remain unconvinced with Frisby.

Their bench was better than ours, by a mile.

All in all throwing the shit-can here at Quade is correct - lets see more time from Stewart. Note though blaming Quade is correct but it is an an over-reach. Coaching, strategists, game planning - this is the primary problem here.

Bring Chook back.

 

[gel]

There's no doubting the deficiencies in multiple areas of the reds, but Quade's execution in almost all facets of play in this particular match was well below acceptable and put an enormous amount of pressure on his team mates.

I think some of the criticism of him in previous weeks has not been justified.

I think any criticism levelled at him this week is probably justified.

 

[Shiggins]

Who the hell was the tmo? The chiefs coach? George Smith cops a stiff Arm to the head. Someone else to The face. A late shoulder on quade and kerevi being held back and tackled early when the reds are hot on attack in a Try scoring opertunity. Reds robbed so far up to 47m

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[Shiggins]

I do think the reds had a lot of the 50 50 calls though. Especially early on. Cheifs counter attack so Good. I hate to say it but Donald would walk into any aussie side at 10 apart from the tahs. That's really disappointing

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[Shiggins]

How's messam counter ruck. Clearly grabs Tuttle as well. Terrible Call

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[Shiggins]

And I've Been saying it for the last 2 years. I'm over players getting up and running after being tackled. It's becoming a joke.

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[Shiggins]

The amount of Late hits on Cooper is crazy. Worst tmo ever.
Quade is such a bum though. He needs to do something to Improve his game. Imagine if Foley had kerevi outside of him. Plus his kicking is so bad at the moment.

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[Shiggins]

Stevenson at the end keeping it in play? Isn't that in touch. You can't be in touch and jump to hit the ball back on can you? You have to jump from in the field of play?

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[waiopehu oldboy]

Whew, for a moment there (over on the 'tahs v Bloos thread to be exact) I was sure Shiggins' G&GR account had been hacked. Clearly it wasn't.

 

[gel]

Well, tbh if I didn't know better I would have thought that Sanzaar had actually appointed one of the Chiefs team mates as the referee.

The reds desperately need a decent head doctor - when they get the shit calls, they fold in a heap.