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2012 Rugby Championship Game 2 New Zealand vs Australia - 25 August

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Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
Just watching the rugby club and interview of Deans.

Did you do the right thing in not selection quade last week?

'we believe we did, it was to do with combinations...'

Combinations? Did Robbie know that the blokes inside and outside of Barnes were both Reds players? Reason last week was the quade wasn't really fit, and now this? Please?!


Well, combinations.......

So this week in a pressure cooker Robbie has discarded any semblance of the combinations the Wallabies have been developing since the RWC last year. Clever. He cannot admit he has ever made a mistake. In five years somebody please post anywhere were he has taken any level of responsibility for HIS team's performance.

I have significant fears regarding this game:-

1) QC (Quade Cooper) being used as a scapegoat (by the coaches and some fans) if the Wallabies get destroyed or even just well beaten. I refer all to my previous post sometime last week. 'The selection of QC (Quade Cooper) will not make any difference to the result or the play if there are not commensurate changes in not only the selection the squad but in the overall tactics and mode of play.'

2) We have seen wholesale changes to the selected side which was one part of the required change I outlined if QC (Quade Cooper) was to have any impact. We have no idea if Deans has instructed the Wallabies to play fast and wide or continue with the defensive damage limitation game plan. In either case it is fraught with much danger, because of the following factors;
a) If the same game plan is going to be kept we have weakened the defensive capabilities in the 10 & 12 positions and sacrificed speed at 15 and have a player in Mitchell on the wing who hasn't played any significant game time in how long? Couple those factors with issues at the scrum (with Alexander there the barely break even situation of last week will be horrendous this week so territory may be a big factor against the Wallabies from this phase.) and the fact that this defensive game plan isn't Cooper's forte and he will find himself under increasing pressure to perform miracles, from which will come mistakes.
b) If the go wide and go quick game plan is to be enacted, which given Deans penchant for telegraphing his tactics with his selections I'd say it is, I feel the Wallabies will struggle to maintain possession and will be attacking from their own half as they get turned over on attack. I think this simply because the pack hasn't played that style at their provinces (except the Reds sometimes and look at their forward representation in the Squad let alone the 22) and haven't played it at the Wallaby level for a long time (France 2010). Add in the significant fitness problem of the Tahs forwards selected and I feel that they will get badly dusted in the forward battle if they have to move to fast and too far. With the Wallabies on the back foot but directed to attack QC (Quade Cooper) will push things and mistakes will be made and turn overs made. The Lineout will be fine with Sharpe but the scrum will get dusted with Alexander and penalties conceded.

3) The combinations that Deans stated he was aiming for? Combinations? Has any coach in Wallaby history chopped and changed centres as much as Deans? Has he developed anybody there? He moved Digby there. He totally changed tactics last year and still didn't pick the centre who epitomised the defend and shut down game plan based on statistics in Oz. I just don't see the backline selected as having that combination. QC (Quade Cooper) is playing his first game in a long while, Barnes regardless of some yelling out long and loud that Barnes was so good in the Welsh series has been average. Horne is a shadow of what he promised a few years ago before the injuries. Mitchell, did he play two games for the Tahs this year? Has he played since? Digby - perhaps the form back in the Australian Squad along with Genia who needed no comment. and finally AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) who is Mr Versatile still and Mr realiable but that is it. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is not a starting player. He is ideal bench coverage especially on a 5:2 split. He is not that fast, an above average 15, average winger and average 13, below average 12 (those are test averages people). There are far better 15s in Oz who are fit and available and I don't mean Beale who is another who was selected in this squad without any basis on form. Perhaps this backline is indeed the one that combined beautifully to annihilate France at home but that was a long time ago and that combination was broken and that game plan discarded over 18 months ago. To ask the players to resurrect it after 6 days with some many struggling for match fitness would be ludicrous. Back to point 2(a) if that isn't the game plan he is aiming for we had better hope that Hooper has his tackling face on to cover the channel between Cooper and Barnes all night as I fear SBW and Nonu will be hammering and offloading there all night.

Last week I was close to the money in predicting the ABs by 15 and indeed most commentators think that such a score would have been more representative of their dominance of the game. This week I can see nothing but pain for Wallabies supporters - ABs by 15+. I think the Wallabies will be desperate and will manage to stave off a total route, or at least that is what I am hoping.
 
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tranquility

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Could you seriously be more ignorant?

Maybe so.

But the feel of the post is spot on. TPN puts the fear of god into players. While he is nowhere technically as sound as Moore and is probably not 3/4 the player that Steve is. He has qualities that are very rare, and his explosivity while not as prominent these days as it once was is absolutely world class.
 
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Paradox

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Maybe so.

But the feel of the post is spot on. TPN puts the fear of god into players

No, the post is so far off the mark is isn't funny. I doubt believe most pro rugby players fear anything physically. They fear loss. Consistency and world class performances bring fear. I would suggest Dan Carter is greatly feared because he is always a great performer and can cause you much grief. The TPN physical fear factor stuff is meaningless at this level. He's a good player but Moore is better. Who knows, Moore might even be stronger and he plays tight.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
I stumbled upon the Suncorp 2011 Test on YouTube, one thing that stood out was the way the Wallabies reacted after the haka. Look at them, you could see they were up for it, love Vickerman's facial expression. You can tell he wants to hurt people.


Can someone please make sure they all see this video?? The first 10 minutes is just ferocious from the whole pack. Look at the way they're smashing into the breakdown. In that 10 minutes we see McCaw, Thomson and Read all separately injured. Read ends up going off... They need to know they are capable of that again.

Look at last week, we lost the breakdown but we also came out with more injuries. If they don't want to get injured again. Fucking take it to them!
 

Groucho

Greg Davis (50)
No, the post is so far off the mark is isn't funny. I doubt believe most pro rugby players fear anything physically. They fear loss. Consistency and world class performances bring fear. I would suggest Dan Carter is greatly feared because he is always a great performer and can cause you much grief. The TPN physical fear factor stuff is meaningless at this level. He's a good player but Moore is better. Who knows, Moore might even be stronger and he plays tight.

It's not about fear, it's about domination. The ABs regularly dominate our players. I's not becuase our players are afraid. It's because they're more physical.
 
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Jiggles

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I really hate fluffybunnys. kiwis are generally fluffybunnys. i hate kiwis..... game on.
 
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Moono75

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Its all about intensity. If the boys put their bodies on the line and apply tackling pressure something will happen. Go in half assed and the results will continue as they have.

Looking forward to it.
 

Scott Allen

Trevor Allan (34)
If we were trying to get the best of both worlds scrummagin and general play these guys still seem like the right choice to me or do you have different views?

p.s sorry for the twenty questions but your a man who has the inside view from an analysis point of view

I think Kepu or Slipper at #3 offer more in general play than Palmer, Moore is better in general play than TPN and unless Robinson gets fit, you'd lose nothing with Holmes.

Having said that, I think you have to pick your #3 for scrumaging first therefore go with Palmer.
 

No4918

John Hipwell (52)
Gnostic - great post.

Just a comment about your fears that QC (Quade Cooper) may start making mistakes if told to play expansive and is under pressure. If things aren't going the way Deans believes they will (when have they?) and we are getting dominated, I'd like to see Genia and QC (Quade Cooper) throw his 'gameplan' or latest excuse for one out the window. They are our smartest rugby brains in the backs and i trust there maturity enough to give them more control. Trouble is, i think the moment Cooper steps outside the Deans playbook he is in danger of getting hooked by 'he who must be obeyed' and Finger just coming on at 12.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Maybe so.

But the feel of the post is spot on. TPN puts the fear of god into players. While he is nowhere technically as sound as Moore and is probably not 3/4 the player that Steve is. He has qualities that are very rare, and his explosivity while not as prominent these days as it once was is absolutely world class.

If tpn could consistently do this I would agree, however it is obvious that he has had injury/fitness issues for the past 2 years. At his best he is our most explosive forward and one of our most skilled, but his physical condition is turning him into an impact player, rather than a starter (and even if he does start I think he should only get 30 minutes, not 60 - that way the balance would be much better).
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Gnostic - great post.

Just a comment about your fears that QC (Quade Cooper) may start making mistakes if told to play expansive and is under pressure. If things aren't going the way Deans believes they will (when have they?) and we are getting dominated, I'd like to see Genia and QC (Quade Cooper) throw his 'gameplan' or latest excuse for one out the window. They are our smartest rugby brains in the backs and i trust there maturity enough to give them more control. Trouble is, i think the moment Cooper steps outside the Deans playbook he is in danger of getting hooked by 'he who must be obeyed' and Finger just coming on at 12.

I hope that genia has stepped it up and taken some control at training this week.
 

redstragic

Alan Cameron (40)
. Look at them, you could see they were up for it, love Vickerman's facial expression. You can tell he wants to hurt people.

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I always study the body language before games, this was exceptional, last weekend before the test the team just did not have their hearts in it and we got blown away.

For the Wallabies to win consistently they need to play with this type of passion every week. I hate it when they come out like they did last weekend and look disinterested. I feel like switching the tv off.
 

Dam0

Dave Cowper (27)
If you had been to any of the Reds games over the last however long, you would see that Quade gives a lot to the fans. However I bet you haven't been to any reds games, or any games near you. because despite living in this country, you dont support rugby in this country on any level. You are probably like the large number of kiwi's who come to Australia because their own country offers no economic opportunity. You dust off your old All Blacks jumper once or twice a year for a All Blacks or Crusaders game to boo the Wallabies or what ever Australian provincial team is playing. Unlike Quade, you have given nothing back to rugby in this country, or this country in general, which has given you so much.

Pull your head in.


He doesn't even live in Australia. Or perhaps you can't even be bothered to do some basic research before throwing out gratuitous insults.


Muppet
 

Dan54

Tim Horan (67)
With TPN at hooker, I thought last week he spent an awful lot of time coming in side of ruck/mauls and maybe he was too far to side to be able to actually do anything. I actually remember seeing one time during game where he came around side, actually got to back of ABs maul and then just stood there, not sure why it was missed. I actually looked at scoreboard to see what time was so I could look out for it when I replayed it on tv, but I not only forgot to set TV, but had a few beers and not sure what time it was anyway:( By the way I also think Moore made huge improvement to pack when he came on.
 
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