2012 Rugby Championship Round 6 Game 2 Argentina vs Australia - 6 Oct

[Slim 293]

But why would we want to replace him for someone that would be no more than the ninth or tenth choice 12 for the Kiwis?

 

[I like to watch]

I doubt he would be more than third or forth choice 12 for the kiwis yet some think he is undroppable for the wallabies. Really?

How many current Wobbly backs would be better than 4th choice for the kiwi's?

 

[Braveheart81]

The Wallabies fullback should be selected via a national High Ball Challenge Competition as held during half time at Waratahs home games.

 

[Richo]

The Wallabies fullback should be selected via a national High Ball Challenge Competition as held during half time at Waratahs home games.

In that case, there are a couple of chicks from last season who deserve a call up.

 

[emuarse]

Why are people crapping on McCabe? Taps and Ioane particularly had a fucking nightmare - Taps blew a 3 on 1. Ioane dropped the ball with nearly every carry. Both should be persevered with though.

perhaps glasses will help you Paradox, as Jiggles posted:

McCabe has a role to play in the wallabies, but until he improves his vision, passing, kicking, and running style it ain't at 12.

We're not putting him down; for sheer bravery he is the best, but you really have to look at the necessary skill set for an inside centre, and McCabe doesn't have it.
The role of selecting the Wallabies is to never stop trying to find the best player for each of the 15 positions. Nothing else matters. not the Reds, not Deans, nothing.

 

[Braveheart81]

Maybe in the modern game, McCabe is more of a 12 than a 13.

If you look at Wales, England and New Zealand, they all play the bigger runner at 12 (Roberts, Tuilagi and Nonu) and play the better ball player at 13.

Maybe the Wallabies will be better served going forward by sticking with McCabe at 12 and converting JOC (James O'Connor) or Tapuai to a 13?

 

[I like to watch]

Tell me Emuarse, when should have he kicked last week?
When should have he passed and chose not to?
Some of you guys are so parochial it is sickening.
BTW when looking for commentary on how a 12 should play, quote someone who at least knows what the difference between an unders/overs line.

 

[Jiggles]

I hope you go out of your way to be this disingenuous when it comes to McCabe and that it's a result of some bias rather than an honest attempt at an impartial evaluation.

McCabe is an early choice because unlike everyone else in the backline, he can cross the friggen advantage line. And after 10 odd years of fucking around with 12s that can't (Giteau / Barnes) those of that see some value in that would like to see it continue.

Since McCabe has become the incumbent Wallabies 12, there has been an almost immediate drop in the ability to score tries. Correlation does not equal causation however the option of moving him out of 12 into 13 (as some people think) or wing/fullback has to be explored.

 

[Jiggles]

Maybe in the modern game, McCabe is more of a 12 than a 13.

If you look at Wales, England and New Zealand, they all play the bigger runner at 12 (Roberts, Tuilagi and Nonu) and play the better ball player at 13.

The difference being is that those players rarely die with the ball.

All three players have an offload in their game. All three players have footwork. All three players have a passing game both sides of their body. McCabe has does not have those attributes currently.

 

[Slim 293]

Since McCabe has become the incumbent Wallabies 12, there has been an almost immediate drop in the ability to score tries. Correlation does not equal causation however the option of moving him out of 12 into 13 (as some people think) or wing/fullback has to be explored.

That's funny, his move to 12 for the Brumbies has had the complete opposite effect.........

How many more tries did the Wallabies score without him this year?

Personally I think the claim is utter rubbish, and that the way the Wallabies' backline operates, amongst other factors, has to do with the quantity of tries scored and nothing to do with who is playing inside centre...

 

[Jiggles]

That's funny, his move to 12 for the Brumbies has had the complete opposite effect...

How many more tries did the Wallabies score without him this year?

Personally I think the claim is utter rubbish, and that the way the Wallabies' backline operates, amongst other factors, has to do with the quantity of tries scored and nothing to do with who is playing inside centre.

Well he hasn't had that effect in 'Yellow', thats for sure.

I'd say it has a bit to do with who is at 12. The fact is the Wallabies attack is hopeless, and it probably doesn't help to have a battering ram who dies with the ball in such a key position.

 

[randalf8]

You're totally right we need a centre capable of butchering two man overlaps by running across the paddock. Do you know anyone?

 

[Jiggles]

Rob Horne is injured currently so he is out.

 

[fatprop]

Well he hasn't had that effect in 'Yellow', thats for sure.

I'd say it has a bit to do with who is at 12. The fact is the Wallabies attack is hopeless, and it probably doesn't help to have a battering ram who dies with the ball in such a key position.

McCabe is a bloody good footballer who has the ability to play to the game plan.

It might just be the under the current game plan for the Wobs that his role is to be that battering ram (and if not him, then the forward (Timani, Pocock, Samo etc) or Iaone who is tasked with the play) and not to spin it too wide off early phases. Just to get it over the gain line and present quick ball.

 

[Jiggles]

And that game plan is working a treat

 

[Slim 293]

For someone who supposedly just dies with the ball, he was involved in two plays that led to breaks out wide that were both ruined by the two guys that should supposedly replace him.........

But yes, it's McCabe single handedly ruining our attack.

 

[Braveheart81]

That's all well and good Slim, but if those players had been where McCabe was, they wouldn't have been able to ruin the play later.

 

[fatprop]

And that game plan is working a treat

But that is a changing the argument, are we talking about McCabe's talent as a footballer or whether the game plan is correct?

 

[Jiggles]

Well actually the debate was whether McCabe is a 12, but that hasn't stopped a number of people changing the argument.

 

[Slim 293]

But that is a changing the argument, are we talking about McCabe's talent as a footballer or whether the game plan is correct?

I think people conveniently forget that if we're not using McCabe to bash it up off first phase ball then it's JOC (James O'Connor), or Digby, or Pocock, or Hooper etc

These people seem to have the idea that McCabe is out there calling the backline plays.