2014 IRB Junior World Championship – New Zealand

[Hugh Jarse]

Just one week before the start of the National U20s Championship in Canberra, the NSW Under 20s will play Fiji A at Ballymore this Friday in their final trial before the tournament kicks off.

NSW U20 team announced:
1. Rory O'CONNOR
2. Tevita VEA
3. Siotame KAVAPALU
4. Connor-James VEST
5. Matthew PHILIP
6. John DEMPSEY
7. Jack McCALMAN
8. Mitchell WHITELY
9. Angus PULVER
10. David HORWITZ
11. Andrew KELLAWAY
12. Ellis ABRAHAMS
13. Benson FAKAI
14. Henry CLUNNIES-ROSS
15. Jonathon VAUX

Replacements:
16. Cameron ORR
17. Folau Fainga'a
18. Matthew SANDELL
19. Ned Hanigan
20. Samuel CROKE
21. Fabian NATOLI
22. Andrew DEEGAN
23. Will PATTERSON

Source: https://www.facebook.com/waratahs

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-AK (Andrew Kellaway)-frc1/t1/10014648_10152069063157144_1067980683_n.jpg

No Jim Stewart. Is he too old or injured?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

How good is our Talent Spotting and player development model (AKA the Pathway)?

This years U20 cohort were U16 in 2010.
Gaggerland Archives reveal the lads were the "elite" U16's in 2010 in NSW.

How many made it to U20's in 2014?
Where did those in this years NSW U20's who were not selected in 2010 U16's come from?

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/community/threads/2010-national-under-16-championships.5899/

Sydney Juniors U16 Representative Team
1 DANIEL ELSOM MWZ
2 JAMES GOLDIE MNZ
3 SAM KITCHEN MNZ
4 GARETH LINAKER MNZ
5 LIAM MOYLAN MWZ
6 JONATHAN PALMER MWZ
7 MATT PHILIP MNZ
8 OSCAR PRYOR-LEES MSZ
9 JEROME RARU MSZ
10 SAILA SAIPELE MWZ
11 MATAGI SA'U MSZ
12 PATRICK SIO MWZ
13 CHRIS TALAKAI MWZ
14 VINNIE BARANYI MNZ
15 ALEXANDER BRUNT MWZ

16 ANDREW FERRIS MWZ
17 LALAKAI FOKETI MNZ
18 REECE HODGE MNZ
19 JAMIL HOPOATE MNZ
20 HARRY JENKINS MNZ
21 FABIAN NATOLI MNZ
22 JACK TOURISH MNZ
23 JONATHAN VAUX MNZ


NSW Schools U16 Rugby Team 2010
Will Ahosivi - Newington College
Allan Ala'alatoa - Newington College
Taylor Allen - Westfields Sports High School
Jack Dempsey - St Ignatius’ College
Jackson Fitzpatrick - Shore School
Charles Freeman - St Ignatius’ College
Daniel Gallagher - The Scots College
Clint Gutherson - Cromer High School
David Horwitz - The Scots College
Josh Kay - St Joseph’s College
Charles Ingram-Melson - Waverley College
Brandon Mafi - Granville High School
Jude Prater - The King’s School
Harry Randell - The King’s School
Jack Robertson - St Ignatius’ College
Tom Robertson - St Joseph’s College
Harry Rorke - St Ignatius’ College
Michael Rowley - Knox Grammar School
Jim Stewart - The Scots College
David Vea - Newington College
Alex Vlahos - Newington College
Mitchell Whiteley - St Ignatius’ College
Tom Wilson - Barker College

 

[Ted S Hunter]

HJ, if i am right, there should be a few more highlights in your list above:

- Lalakai Foketi is playing for the southern states side after being picked up by the rebels
- Cliton Gutherson is playing U20 for Manly
- Allan Ala'alatoa i think played for the Gen Blue side (i think)
- Jim Stewart is in the mix, but i believe still injured
- Reece Hodge played for Aus 20 last year (what has happened to him)

On another note, i noticed someone saying that there is an issue with so many of last years school boys in the side, i would ask the question, how many of the older boys are currently injured (or playing elsewhere) or ask the reasons why so many are there in the first place?

 

[Eyes and Ears]

Allan Ala'alatoa is with the Brumbies. Mike, his older brother, is with Gen Blue. I believe Reece Hodge is still recovering from injury.

 

[WE'RE IN ..RU ?]

How good is our Talent Spotting and player development model (AKA the Pathway)?

This years U20 cohort were U16 in 2010.
Gaggerland Archives reveal the lads were the "elite" U16's in 2010 in NSW.

How many made it to U20's in 2014?
Where did those in this years NSW U20's who were not selected in 2010 U16's come from?

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/community/threads/2010-national-under-16-championships.5899/

Sydney Juniors U16 Representative Team
1 DANIEL ELSOM MWZ
2 JAMES GOLDIE MNZ
3 SAM KITCHEN MNZ
4 GARETH LINAKER MNZ
5 LIAM MOYLAN MWZ
6 JONATHAN PALMER MWZ
7 MATT PHILIP MNZ
8 OSCAR PRYOR-LEES MSZ
9 JEROME RARU MSZ
10 SAILA SAIPELE MWZ
11 MATAGI SA'U MSZ
12 PATRICK SIO MWZ
13 CHRIS TALAKAI MWZ
14 VINNIE BARANYI MNZ
15 ALEXANDER BRUNT MWZ

16 ANDREW FERRIS MWZ
17 LALAKAI FOKETI MNZ
18 REECE HODGE MNZ
19 JAMIL HOPOATE MNZ
20 HARRY JENKINS MNZ
21 FABIAN NATOLI MNZ
22 OLIVER NICHOLSON MWZ
23 JONATHAN VAUX MNZ


NSW Schools U16 Rugby Team 2010
Will Ahosivi - Newington College
Allan Ala'alatoa - Newington College
Taylor Allen - Westfields Sports High School
Jack Dempsey - St Ignatius’ College
Jackson Fitzpatrick - Shore School
Charles Freeman - St Ignatius’ College
Daniel Gallagher - The Scots College
Clint Gutherson - Cromer High School
David Horwitz - The Scots College
Josh Kay - St Joseph’s College
Charles Ingram-Melson - Waverley College
Brandon Mafi - Granville High School
Jude Prater - The King’s School
Harry Randell - The King’s School
Jack Robertson - St Ignatius’ College
Tom Robertson - St Joseph’s College
Harry Rorke - St Ignatius’ College
Michael Rowley - Knox Grammar School
Jim Stewart - The Scots College
David Vea - Newington College
Alex Vlahos - Newington College
Mitchell Whiteley - St Ignatius’ College
Tom Wilson - Barker College

 

[I like to watch]

How good is our Talent Spotting and player development model (AKA the Pathway)?

This years U20 cohort were U16 in 2010.
Gaggerland Archives reveal the lads were the "elite" U16's in 2010 in NSW.

How many made it to U20's in 2014?
Where did those in this years NSW U20's who were not selected in 2010 U16's come from?

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/community/threads/2010-national-under-16-championships.5899/

Sydney Juniors U16 Representative Team
1 DANIEL ELSOM MWZ
2 JAMES GOLDIE MNZ
3 SAM KITCHEN MNZ
4 GARETH LINAKER MNZ
5 LIAM MOYLAN MWZ
6 JONATHAN PALMER MWZ
7 MATT PHILIP MNZ
8 OSCAR PRYOR-LEES MSZ
9 JEROME RARU MSZ
10 SAILA SAIPELE MWZ
11 MATAGI SA'U MSZ
12 PATRICK SIO MWZ
13 CHRIS TALAKAI MWZ
14 VINNIE BARANYI MNZ
15 ALEXANDER BRUNT MWZ

16 ANDREW FERRIS MWZ
17 LALAKAI FOKETI MNZ
18 REECE HODGE MNZ
19 JAMIL HOPOATE MNZ
20 HARRY JENKINS MNZ
21 FABIAN NATOLI MNZ
22 JACK TOURISH MNZ
23 JONATHAN VAUX MNZ


NSW Schools U16 Rugby Team 2010
Will Ahosivi - Newington College
Allan Ala'alatoa - Newington College
Taylor Allen - Westfields Sports High School
Jack Dempsey - St Ignatius’ College
Jackson Fitzpatrick - Shore School
Charles Freeman - St Ignatius’ College
Daniel Gallagher - The Scots College
Clint Gutherson - Cromer High School
David Horwitz - The Scots College
Josh Kay - St Joseph’s College
Charles Ingram-Melson - Waverley College
Brandon Mafi - Granville High School
Jude Prater - The King’s School
Harry Randell - The King’s School
Jack Robertson - St Ignatius’ College
Tom Robertson - St Joseph’s College
Harry Rorke - St Ignatius’ College
Michael Rowley - Knox Grammar School
Jim Stewart - The Scots College
David Vea - Newington College
Alex Vlahos - Newington College
Mitchell Whiteley - St Ignatius’ College
Tom Wilson - Barker College

When you add in the 5 or 6 that Ted SH mentions,then add in another 6 or so from the 2011 cohort,it changes things somewhat.
Then there are only 5 or so in the squad that weren't on the pathway since 16.
Which I think is an issue,but opposite to the point you were making.

 

[trevor cork]

A squad of 23 (named above) were sent to Ballymore, but 28 are going to Canberra, next weekend, so there are 5 to be added.
My observation is, that seeing that NSW has dominated the U18 Champs
for the past two years, I expect we will do the same in the U20's.

 

[Eyes and Ears]

It may not play out that way as QLD have done well in U16s the last 5 years and perhaps QLD have struggled at Schools as their boys finish a year earlier.

 

[Doofus]

How good is our Talent Spotting and player development model (AKA the Pathway)?

This years U20 cohort were U16 in 2010.
Gaggerland Archives reveal the lads were the "elite" U16's in 2010 in NSW.

How many made it to U20's in 2014?
Where did those in this years NSW U20's who were not selected in 2010 U16's come from?

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/community/threads/2010-national-under-16-championships.5899/

Sydney Juniors U16 Representative Team
1 DANIEL ELSOM MWZ
2 JAMES GOLDIE MNZ
3 SAM KITCHEN MNZ
4 GARETH LINAKER MNZ
5 LIAM MOYLAN MWZ
6 JONATHAN PALMER MWZ
7 MATT PHILIP MNZ
8 OSCAR PRYOR-LEES MSZ
9 JEROME RARU MSZ
10 SAILA SAIPELE MWZ
11 MATAGI SA'U MSZ
12 PATRICK SIO MWZ
13 CHRIS TALAKAI MWZ
14 VINNIE BARANYI MNZ
15 ALEXANDER BRUNT MWZ

16 ANDREW FERRIS MWZ
17 LALAKAI FOKETI MNZ
18 REECE HODGE MNZ
19 JAMIL HOPOATE MNZ
20 HARRY JENKINS MNZ
21 FABIAN NATOLI MNZ
22 JACK TOURISH MNZ
23 JONATHAN VAUX MNZ


NSW Schools U16 Rugby Team 2010
Will Ahosivi - Newington College
Allan Ala'alatoa - Newington College
Taylor Allen - Westfields Sports High School
Jack Dempsey - St Ignatius’ College
Jackson Fitzpatrick - Shore School
Charles Freeman - St Ignatius’ College
Daniel Gallagher - The Scots College
Clint Gutherson - Cromer High School
David Horwitz - The Scots College
Josh Kay - St Joseph’s College
Charles Ingram-Melson - Waverley College
Brandon Mafi - Granville High School
Jude Prater - The King’s School
Harry Randell - The King’s School
Jack Robertson - St Ignatius’ College
Tom Robertson - St Joseph’s College
Harry Rorke - St Ignatius’ College
Michael Rowley - Knox Grammar School
Jim Stewart - The Scots College
David Vea - Newington College
Alex Vlahos - Newington College
Mitchell Whiteley - St Ignatius’ College
Tom Wilson - Barker College

 

[Doofus]

Hey Hugh J.

I think the "younger fellows" from 2011 Under 16s - ? who could very well be there next year - as well? - should also get a mention!

NSW SCHOOLS U16'S on Web 2011

NSWSRU U16’S - Posted on NSWSRU

Lachlan Cannell Killara HS
Hayden Cochrane St Augustine's College
Rory David The King's School
Andrew Deegan St Joseph's College
Adrian Delore Whitebridge HS
Oliver Kamp The Scots College
Andrew Kellaway The Scots College
Jack King St Ignatius
Joey Lussick Newington College
Peter Maa Westfields SHS
Jarrod Matairavula Pendle Hill HS
Taane Milne Randwick BHS
Tepai Moeroa Newington College
Michael Morgan Marist College, Kogarah
Nicholas Pennisi St Joseph's College
Oscar Pople Newington College
George Prassas Newington College
Matthew Sandell St Joseph's College
Josh Schwager St Joseph's College
Ben Stacy The King's School
Doug Streeter Shore School
Oliver Takiveikata Westfields SHS
Anthony Vasillis Randwick BHS


Sydney Junior Rugby Union U16 Representative Team -Wednesday, 6 July 2011

Malaki Afele - Merrylands
Erickson Aukofolau - Liverpool City
Geoffrey Coffill - Wests
Benjamin Cotton - Dural
Jamieson Clark - Merrylands
Matthew Crafts - Coogee
Fred Fiala-Motu - Coogee
Connor Finn - Canterbury
Harry Jones - Newport
Christian Kagiassis - Canterbury
Nicholas Koutsoukis - Coogee
Vaka Maile - Canterbury
Matthew Matson - Hills
Jack McCalman - Beecroft-Cherrybrook
David Morris - Norths Pirates
Cameron Orr - Wests
Brandon Paenga-Amosa - Southern Barbarians
Jack Redden - Hunters Hill
Jacob Roberts - Merrylands
Junior Satiu - Merrylands
Mitchell Short - Hunters Hill
Brent Whicker - Hawkesbury Valley
Harrison Williams - Norths Pirates

NSW Juniors U16s - 2011

Name Club
Brenton Ackerman NSW Country
Malaki Afele Sydney
Nick Andrews NSW Country
Jamieson Clark Sydney
Adrien Delore NSW Country
Sam Heffren NSW Country
Harry Jones Sydney
Christian Kagiassis Sydney
Andrew Kellaway Sydney, Hunters Hill
Nicholas Koutsoukis Sydney
Shaun Lawrie NSW Country
Jack McCalman Sydney
Jackson McLean NSW Country
Jarrod Matairavula Sydney
Matthew Matson Sydney
Tepai Moeroa Sydney
David Morris Sydney
Cameron Orr Sydney
Luke Papworth NSW Country
Jack Redden Sydney
Mitchell Short Sydney
Harrison Williams Sydney
Jordan Winterburn Sydney
Trent Winterstein Sydney

Heard in the dispatches Fiji A pumped NSW Colts 49 to 26 at Ballymore today- understand (second hand info) it was 49 - nil at one stage and the bench appeared to pay dividends last 20 minutes. I believe one coach said to the group (previously) you need to be pumped before you can pump others. there we go!


Sorry highlighting did not transfer.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

When you add in the 5 or 6 that Ted SH mentions,then add in another 6 or so from the 2011 cohort,it changes things somewhat.
Then there are only 5 or so in the squad that weren't on the pathway since 16.
Which I think is an issue,but opposite to the point you were making.

OK.
Some of the 46 kids from 2011 Under 16's in the 2014 NSW U20 squad been selected "early".
What about the rest of that cohort? If you are going to combine the 92 U16's from 2011/2012 into the "elite pool" then 16 being selected for reps @ U20 level for NSW or other Teams, means a few have made it who were "unknown" to the
super scouts, and a fair stack have missed out on making the step up to the next level (more than 70).


Of the Ted SH "5 or 6 names":
Lalakai Foketi. fair point but another point is he is lost to NSW. Good thing that he is still in the Mix for Aust Rugby.
Cliton Gutherson. U20 for Manly is not NSW level as he was in the U16 cohort.
Allan Ala'alatoa. See comment on Lalakai. Same applies.
Jim Stewart. Probably injured.
Reece Hodge. Probably still injured. IIRC he had quite a bad broken leg in the Colts 1 GF last year.

There are legitimate reasons why kids fall off "the pathway". I'd reckon Jobs, Study, Travel and Injury are the main ones.

One of the points in posting the U16 "class of 2010" is to support the oft mentioned philosophy that cream can and will rise to the top, even if it is overlooked at U16 level.

Many posters seem to believe that if a boy is not in the NGS, the JGS, State U16 National Championship teams, or in NSW I or II (at Open schoolboy footy) then they have no hope of making it as a professional Rugby player, or into semi-pro footy like 1st Grade colts or Grade.

 

[Highlander35]

Cream does rise to the top, but remember, shit floats.

Sent from my LG-P713 using Tapatalk

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Cream does rise to the top, but remember, shit full of hot air floats and it curdles the cream.

Fixed

 

[lily]

Unfortunately Reece has just been given another 3 months due to the same injury.

 

[I like to watch]

OK.
Some of the 46 kids from 2011 Under 16's in the 2014 NSW U20 squad been selected "early".
What about the rest of that cohort? If you are going to combine the 92 U16's from 2011/2012 into the "elite pool" then 16 being selected for reps @ U20 level for NSW or other Teams, means a few have made it who were "unknown" to the
super scouts, and a fair stack have missed out on making the step up to the next level (more than 70).


Of the Ted SH "5 or 6 names":
Lalakai Foketi. fair point but another point is he is lost to NSW. Good thing that he is still in the Mix for Aust Rugby.
Cliton Gutherson. U20 for Manly is not NSW level as he was in the U16 cohort.
Allan Ala'alatoa. See comment on Lalakai. Same applies.
Jim Stewart. Probably injured.
Reece Hodge. Probably still injured. IIRC he had quite a bad broken leg in the Colts 1 GF last year.

There are legitimate reasons why kids fall off "the pathway". I'd reckon Jobs, Study, Travel and Injury are the main ones.

One of the points in posting the U16 "class of 2010" is to support the oft mentioned philosophy that cream can and will rise to the top, even if it is overlooked at U16 level.

Many posters seem to believe that if a boy is not in the NGS, the JGS, State U16 National Championship teams, or in NSW I or II (at Open schoolboy footy) then they have no hope of making it as a professional Rugby player, or into semi-pro footy like 1st Grade colts or Grade.

How many kids in that 20's squad did not play 16's rep or go to a GPS or CAS School?
3?
One was a country rep who played combined states,and another,a Victorian rep who played Oz Schools.
That leaves one.
Hugh,your pathway is fucked!

Edit:
That one is a centre.
Jim Stewart is injured and would be expected to be selected in front of him,as would both the Mungo converts who both also played 16's.
So the adjusted number of under 20's that were selected without a pedigree.............
zero.

 

[Forcefield]

So who is going to win the national U20 championships?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

NSW U20's with their Under 18 "Pathway" credentials

1. Rory O'CONNOR, NSW I 2012
2. Tevita VEA, NSW I 2012
3. Siotame KAVAPALU, Vic 2012, Aust Schools 2012
4. Connor-James VEST CS 2012.
5. Matthew PHILIP, NSW II 2012, Aust Schools 2012
6. John DEMPSEY, NSW I 2012, 2013, Aust Schools 2012
7. Jack McCALMAN, NSW I 2013, NSW II 2012, Aust Schools 2012 "A", 2013
8. Mitchell WHITELY, NSW I 2011, 2012, Aust Schools 2011 "A", 2012
9. Angus PULVER, CS 2012, Aust Schools 2012
10. David HORWITZ, NSW I 2012, NSW II 2011, Aust Schools 2011, 2012
11. Andrew KELLAWAY, NSW I 2013, 2012, NSW II 2011, Aust Schools 2012, 2013
12. Ellis ABRAHAMS
13. Benson FAKAI
14. Henry CLUNNIES-ROSS, NSW I 2012,
15. Jonathon VAUX, NSW II 2011, Aust Schools 2011 "A"

Replacements:
16. Cameron ORR, NSW II 2012, Aust Schools 2012
17. Folau Fainga'a
18. Matthew SANDELL, NSW I 2013, 2012, Aust Schools 2012, 2013
19. Ned Hanigan, NSW II 2013, Aust Schools 2013
20. Samuel CROKE, CS 2012.
21. Fabian NATOLI, NSW I 2012, NSW II 2011, Aust Schools 2012 "A"
22. Andrew DEEGAN, NSW I 2013, Aust Schools 2013
23. Will PATTERSON, CS 2012.

No of Non Aust Schoolboys = 11
No of Aust A without being Aust Schoolboy = 2
14/23 have been exposed to Aust Schoolboys or Aust "A".

No not representing NSW I or NSW II at the Aust Schoolboys Champs = 8 (Pulver, Patterson, Croke, Vest = Combined States, Kavapalu = Vic)
No not at Aust Schoolboys in 2012/2013 = 3

Edit: Can't count. Also found a Combined States 2012 Team list. Numbers adjusted.

 

[I like to watch]

No Big Arse,
14 were Oz/Oz A reps.
19 out of 23 were selected in either State teams or Combined States.So 4 of the 23 did not participate at the Schoolboy champs.
The 2 centres,reserve outside back,and reserve prop?

The 2 centres were selected in the 20's squad,after at least 2 defections to League,one injury and one move interstate.
Patterson also had a players in front of him that were injured or defected,that enabled his selection.

So if your point is, you can still be selected for reps if you are not identified as a Schoolboy star.
You are absolutely correct,if you can rely on the 4 in front of you to fall off the map.(And in one case,it didn't hurt that the coach is employed at his former School)

As an aside,I'm glad that Patterson got a gig,IMO he deserved selection in the NSW squad in 2012.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

No Big Arse,
14 were Oz/Oz A reps. (I'm old and can't count!)
19 out of 23 were selected in either State teams or Combined States.So 4 of the 23 did not participate at the Schoolboy champs. (I found a Combined States list from 2012 and it looks like only 3 of the 23 haven't participated at Schoolboy Champs.)
The 2 centres,reserve outside back,and reserve prop?

The 2 centres were selected in the 20's squad,after at least 2 defections to League,one injury and one move interstate.
Patterson also had a players in front of him that were injured or defected,that enabled his selection.

So if your point is, you can still be selected for reps if you are not identified as a Schoolboy star. (Point is still factually correct but losing impact!)
You are absolutely correct,if you can rely on the 4 in front of you to fall off the map. (Doing a Bradbury!)
(And in one case,it didn'thurt that the coach is employed at his former School) (Seems to happen on occasions at Junior Rep level doesn't it?)

As an aside,I'm glad that Patterson got a gig,IMO he deserved selection in the NSW squad in 2012.

What is the background on Abrahams, Fainga'a, and Fakai? Might have to have a quick look at the Colts 2013 playing lists on the NSW RU website. Standby.

Benson Fakai was a Centre/Wing for Manly Colts 1 2013 (runner up premiers).
Ellis Abrahams was playing for Newington 1st XV in 2013 and seems to be with the Marlins in 2014.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Any news on the QLD team?

Southern States Team has been named.

Anyone got a Tonga Team List?