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Broadcast options for Australian Rugby

Rugbynutter39

Michael Lynagh (62)
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...te-shield-tv-rights-deal-20200214-p540x2.html

I’m very happy to watch from the Clutch app.

Ch.7 SS game had a 13k ave in 2019

So final deal around $30m so we know this is less money then last deal so assume that means smaller squads plus how the heck would this pay for an extra Super Rugby side (Force)......I get excitement on FTA but has come at a cost in terms of less money than last deal and less money then that offered by Foxtel in their late bid
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Hate to be negative but there's a chance this could be a disaster in it's first year. It's a new service, they're not experienced in delivering content over IP. They'll do their technical due diligence sure but remember Optus had issues when they first got the EPL and World Cup. 9's coverage of the 2011 RWC was appalling, although most of that was the personnel but they also didn't produce the content either so they have no experience in delivering rugby production. Fingers crossed.
 

Rebels3

Jim Lenehan (48)
So final deal around $30m so we know this is less money then last deal so assume that means smaller squads plus how the heck would this pay for an extra Super Rugby side (Force)..I get excitement on FTA but has come at a cost in terms of less money than last deal and less money then that offered by Foxtel in their late bid
I believe it’s the same as what we currently get domestically. International rights will dictate if we get close to the $56m that’s reportedly what RA gets now, I’d be surprised if the current market overseas means we get to that. The good thing now is that corporate sponsorships should improve with the extra reach FTA offers, so hopefully offset the loss that might happen. Hopefully also larger crowds with the exposure over time
 

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
Hate to be negative but there's a chance this could be a disaster in it's first year. It's a new service, they're not experienced in delivering content over IP. They'll do their technical due diligence sure but remember Optus had issues when they first got the EPL and World Cup. 9's coverage of the 2011 RWC was appalling, although most of that was the personnel but they also didn't produce the content either so they have no experience in delivering rugby production. Fingers crossed.
Production quality this year from Fox has been truly abysmal. Worst ive ever seen it (as an admittedly relatively young viewer).

Can't really get that much worse.
 

Rugbynutter39

Michael Lynagh (62)
Well all the rugby on stan means I sign up to stan and watch lot more rugby as would watch lot more SS given all matches televised (easier to follow then one game of the round).
 

dru

Tim Horan (67)
SS exists purely to have beers on a hill somewhere in the sun.

True? The QPR has been fabulous on stream though some improvement with a little professionalism in the broadcast would be great. Look forward to the telecast in 2021.
 

The Honey Badger

Jim Lenehan (48)
Well all the rugby on stan means I sign up to stan and watch lot more rugby as would watch lot more SS given all matches televised (easier to follow then one game of the round).

All Matches televised on Stan including Penrith vs WS2B? At what production level? Same as Cluch/Bar or better??

Are these all live? Or only on replay?
 

Adam84

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
So final deal around $30m so we know this is less money then last deal so assume that means smaller squads plus how the heck would this pay for an extra Super Rugby side (Force)..I get excitement on FTA but has come at a cost in terms of less money than last deal and less money then that offered by Foxtel in their late bid

$30million cash, with around $8million in contra advertising. Both figures are larger then what RA received from Foxtel and Ch 10 last time. The $57 million total was made up by a significant portion for the international rights(UK, Europe, Japan etc), which haven’t been sold yet.

Also, the value of FTA exposure for the super rugby sponsors shouldn’t be understated either, difficult to monetise though until we see what kind of ratings they get.
 

Mr Wobbly

Alan Cameron (40)
It will be interesting to see what other sports Stan picks up and whether all sports are on one channel (like Kayo) or individual channels (like Amazon US).
 

Mr Wobbly

Alan Cameron (40)

And they're advertising in the ap..... nice!

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liquor box

Peter Sullivan (51)
Hate to be negative but there's a chance this could be a disaster in it's first year. It's a new service, they're not experienced in delivering content over IP. They'll do their technical due diligence sure but remember Optus had issues when they first got the EPL and World Cup. 9's coverage of the 2011 RWC was appalling, although most of that was the personnel but they also didn't produce the content either so they have no experience in delivering rugby production. Fingers crossed.
Surely if Stan could survive the amount of viewers it had through the lockdown then it should handle a rugby audience.

I think the signal will get through, but at what quality?
 

PhilClinton

Geoff Shaw (53)
I hope the scope increases for more than one FTA super game in 2022 if ratings are good in 2021.

While the product is still Super Rugby AU next year it means you’ll likely see the team you want every second week. But once the other teams come back into it, you could go a month possibly without having your favourite team on FTA. To us that might not seem like a big deal as most will have the Stan subscription, but to young new fans maybe in a non rugby household they’ll likely not continue supporting a team they can only see once every 4 weeks.
 

RedsRugbyfan101

Allen Oxlade (6)
Death, taxes and Halloran writing negative articles. Some things never change.... Going with Nine seems to be a very big (and good!) reset.
Rugby misses chance for a reset by taking Nine deal
Only time will tell if Channel 9 is the answer to many of rugby’s perpetual problems, including a dramatic fall in interest for the game they play in heaven.

On Monday morning, Rugby Australia confirmed it had made the shift to Nine Entertainment — a three-year deal worth $100m that will see all Test matches and one Super Rugby game aired on free-to-air TV each week while the company’s paywall-protected movies-and-drama streaming service Stan will show the rest.

Nine outbid the Foxtel/Ten bid, not by cash but by propping up their cash component with significant contra support in advertising and promotion via their media assets and mastheads. But will it make a difference to the ailing code?

The brutal statistics show a breathtaking dive in interest for the sport; in 2003 Foxtel had half as many subscribers to its service but four times as many rugby viewers tuning in.

In 2011 a record 511,000 tuned in to the Super Rugby final on Fox Sports. This year’s round one Super Rugby opener between the Waratahs and Reds attracted 69,000. In 2001 a combined viewership of 1.8 million watched the British Lions play the Wallabies — while the spirited draw between the All Blacks and Australia two weeks ago attracted 500,000 viewers.

The Wallabies are already on free-to-air, so rebuilding a struggling Super Rugby competition is central to RA’s crucial ambition of reaching more people.

So, are fans ready to return to Super Rugby on Nine in their droves? Can Nine gets Super Rugby’s heart beating again?

There’s a question whether fans will buy into the new Super Rugby era which is very different to what it once was — next year’s competition will just involve Australian and New Zealand teams but the shape of the tournament is yet to be decided.

And there is growing speculation that Andrew ‘Twiggy’ Forrest’s Western Force isn’t completely committed to the next Super Rugby season.

To truly “reach” and grow the code, it would require the Super Rugby game of the week (usually a Waratahs or Reds game) to be on Nine’s main broadcast channel and not behind the paywall on Stan or on secondary FTA channel Gem.

Time will tell whether the network is prepared to do this. Rugby league is very obviously Nine’s premier football code. Their NRL commentators will be asked to plug Saturday night Super Rugby and Wallabies matches during rugby league games on Friday nights. So it seems more than likely Super Rugby will be sidelined on Gem.

As one television insider noted, a rerun of Die Hard 4 will make more money on a multi-channel than a Super Rugby match which is more likely to be “a tax” than a financial success for a network.

The soon to be launched Stan Sports is an unproven concept. It is a drama-and-movies streaming service with no sports subscribers, a different audience profile and no ability to cross-promote the game to other sports fans. The challenge is huge.

It is worth noting club rugby is now behind the Stan Sports paywall, while Foxtel sources say they would have offered that content for free.

Viewership for sport on traditional free-to-air channels is in decline as the networks shift programming to reality and renovation shows. The audience for the Bledisloe Cup on Ten is down 10 per cent on average each year since 2015. The Rugby Championship is down 15 per cent annually.

Some are now asking; did Rugby Australia miss its reset moment?

The Australian has learnt of a Foxtel proposal, first tabled to then RA chief Raelene Castle in September 2018, which consisted of a 20-team, two division club competition designed to also reboot rugby’s grassroots. It is what the game needed — a radical restart.
 

RedsRugbyfan101

Allen Oxlade (6)
Two things I'd like to highlight from the article:

Nine outbid the Foxtel/Ten bid, not by cash but by propping up their cash component with significant contra support in advertising and promotion via their media assets and mastheads. But will it make a difference to the ailing code?

And there is growing speculation that Andrew ‘Twiggy’ Forrest’s Western Force isn’t completely committed to the next Super Rugby season.


1) Her first statement looks to be about as accurate as anything Trump has said all week. This was reported in the SMH

"Put together on the RA side by Clarke and John Knox, the former Credit Suisse Australia chief executive who negotiated Cricket Australia’s record $1.18 billion television contract two years ago, it is worth about $38 million a year over three years with an option for a further two.

Sources with knowledge of the deal say about $30m a year is in cash, with the rest in contra, and despite the impact of the pandemic on sports rights, Clarke said it comfortably surpassed the domestic component of RA’s previous $57m a year broadcast arrangement signed in 2015."

Given the effect of the pandemic with the NRL and AFL taking a substantial haircut, this $$ is a very good outcome. With the rights still to be sold overseas, which provided the majority of the revenue in the last tv rights, RA is not going to end up taking a code destroying haircut. In fact they might end up with a larger broadcast deal.

2) The Western Force certainly aren't getting into NZ's competition in 2021. If they aren't playing Super Rugby AU then their recent player signings makes no sense.

I think someone might be a little bit salty over losing the rights.
 

Adam84

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
This comments takes the cake:

“Some are now asking; did Rugby Australia miss its reset moment?“

Is she serious or what, she talks about declining ratings and popularity yet expects doing the exact same thing as they’ve done the past 25 years would yield a different outcome? Let’s be absolutely clear, RA going to 9 and Stan is hitting the reset hitting on the code, it’s a gamble but it’s no less a gamble then remaining on Foxtel and suffering the the same slow decline into mediocrity as has happened under exclusive rights with Foxtel.
 
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