Federal Coalition Government 2013-?

[Runner]

Forget about Labor Runner. You're in in the wrong thread for a start.

I have no problem judging Abbott on his last 130 days in government. What am I judging it against? Yep I am judging it against his past.

Why not judge it against his predecessors in the job of PM. That is what history will ultimately judge him by.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Why not judge it against his predecessors in the job of PM. That is what history will ultimately judge him by.

The electorate doesn't wait for history to make its judgments before deciding how to vote. Abbott will be judged at the next election or two, just as his predecessors were.

 

[boyo]

Some are more equal than others:-

Cadbury workers get sweeter deal than SPC counterparts

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cadbury-workers-get-sweeter-deal-than-spc-counterparts-20140207-327ee.html#ixzz2sdymTIe5

 

[Runner]

The electorate doesn't wait for history to make its judgments before deciding how to vote. Abbott will be judged at the next election or two, just as his predecessors were.

Sorry when they vote they will be judging on his history as PM

 

[Runner]

Some are more equal than others:-

Cadbury workers get sweeter deal than SPC counterparts

Read more: [URL='http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cadbury-workers-get-sweeter-deal-than-spc-counterparts-20140207-327ee.html#ixzz2sdymTIe5[/quote']http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cadbury-workers-get-sweeter-deal-than-spc-counterparts-20140207-327ee.html#ixzz2sdymTIe5[/URL]

In one case it has contributed to the problems of the company while in the other it has not. Only in Socialist Russia do all workers get the same conditons.

Here we have EB's. So they can be negotiated. If they are over generous and prove to be so then the workers will face the consequences. 70% of the costs of production in Australia are on costs attributed to wages and conditions. Very high by world standards.

Cadbury's isn't going broke.

 

[boyo]

Australia is not Russia.

Introducing a straw man are you?

 

[Sully]

The problem is the lie from the coalition regarding over generous conditions at SPCA. They are not over generous at all.

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[Sully]

Abbot claimed on the news that no boat had reached Australia in 50 days. Yet they held people for 5 days then towed then back in a $75000 boat.

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[Brumby Runner]

Sorry when they vote they will be judging on his history as PM

Which is his current performance in absolute terms, not in comparison with others in my book.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Abbot claimed on the news that no boat had reached Australia in 50 days. Yet they held people for 5 days then towed then back in a $75000 boat.

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I doubt the smugglers will sell too many tickets on the basis that you'll get a share in a $75k boat in the event you don't get to oz.

 

[Sully]

I doubt the smugglers will sell too many tickets on the basis that you'll get a share in a $75k boat in the event you don't get to oz.

Not my point at all. You can turn the lawyer off every now and then IS.

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[Bullrush]

Can I presume you total believed PM Gillard about the AWU slush fund?

Or perhaps PM Rudd on pink batts, etc.

What Abbott has said so far as PM needs to be measured against the 6 years of rubbish from Gillard/Rudd.

?!? What Abbott says - or any PM of any country for that matter - needs to be measured by how honest and true it is. Who gives a f**k what the last guy said? If it was bullshit, that's probably why they are 'the last guy'.... as Abbott will be if he's full of shit as well



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[Runner]

Australia is not Russia.

Introducing a straw man are you?

No straw man. Very few countries outside of socialist blocks have a centralized wage fixation system as we do. So the point is that our system has more in common with that than other developed nations.

Point that 70% of company costs is employees wages and conditions is not the case in most countries is what is driving many companies out of Australia. e.g. Holden, Ford, etc. Australians won't buy it at its production cost price so in order to sell any the gov't provides a subsidy to make up for the large cost of wages and conditions.

SPC competes on a global level like Holden and Ford. Ask Australians why they don't buy the product and you will get the answer price. What determines the price, in part -- 70%-- labour costs.

 

[Runner]

Abbot claimed on the news that no boat had reached Australia in 50 days. Yet they held people for 5 days then towed then back in a $75000 boat.

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That would be far less that the transport, housing etc etc etc costs if they were here.

 

[Runner]

Which is his current performance in absolute terms, not in comparison with others in my book.

So he will not be weighted up against Bill and his blood stained history?

 

[Runner]

?!? What Abbott says - or any PM of any country for that matter - needs to be measured by how honest and true it is. Who gives a f**k what the last guy said? If it was bullshit, that's probably why they are 'the last guy'.. as Abbott will be if he's full of shit as well


I think your reading it out of context to what the response was too. I agree with the sentiment though.


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[I like to watch]

No straw man. Very few countries outside of socialist blocks have a centralized wage fixation system as we do. So the point is that our system has more in common with that than other developed nations.

Point that 70% of company costs is employees wages and conditions is not the case in most countries is what is driving many companies out of Australia. e.g. Holden, Ford, etc. Australians won't buy it at its production cost price so in order to sell any the gov't provides a subsidy to make up for the large cost of wages and conditions.

SPC competes on a global level like Holden and Ford. Ask Australians why they don't buy the product and you will get the answer price. What determines the price, in part -- 70%-- labour costs.

You totally ignore the fact that in many of these cases,the Australian companies are competing with international companies that are receiving massive assistance from their respective a Governments.

 

[Runner]

You totally ignore the fact that in many of these cases,the Australian companies are competing with international companies that are receiving massive assistance from their respective a Governments.

No I don't. We are 23 million compared to Japan 100 million and USA 380 million. Not a viable economic contest. Ants among elephants.

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

No straw man. Very few countries outside of socialist blocks have a centralized wage fixation system as we do. So the point is that our system has more in common with that than other developed nations.

Point that 70% of company costs is employees wages and conditions is not the case in most countries is what is driving many companies out of Australia. e.g. Holden, Ford, etc. Australians won't buy it at its production cost price so in order to sell any the gov't provides a subsidy to make up for the large cost of wages and conditions.

SPC competes on a global level like Holden and Ford. Ask Australians why they don't buy the product and you will get the answer price. What determines the price, in part -- 70%-- labour costs.

So how are you going to effectively reduce labour costs?

 

[Runner]

So how are you going to effectively reduce labour costs?

It has a lot to do with absolute and comparitive advantage, productivity and getting as much of the public service red tape out of the road as is necessary. Not all as you need to keep the bastards honest as the Democrats used to say.

Public service red tape hinders economic activity and economic growth which creates jobs. Yes capitalist words. Governments DON'T create real jobs.

Look at the eastern Europeans in Ukraine they get it -- socialism doesn't work -- didn't for them and a gov't trying to return them to it with deals with Russia is causing a revolution.

People can have high wages and many do but those that are in the global arena facing competiton either need to be competative or find a new area. Those that are trying to compete need peolpe to understand that.