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Federal Coalition Government 2013-?

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redstragic

Alan Cameron (40)
I hate the pre-budget spin. We can hardly be blamed for reading the newspaper and wishing to duscuss the topics raised. I can't see how boyo have the budget papers if Oakes does not.

What I hate the most about the budget spin is that it is easy to see harsh stories getting planted only for some much milder budget change to be made.

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boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Deloitte report predicts federal budget cuts won't be as bad as feared

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/deloitte-report-predicts-federal-budget-cuts-wont-be-as-bad-as-feared-20140427-zr0fl.html#ixzz308xhYnmI


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Abbott needs to live with this situation, he was part of the cabinet decisions in the Howard years that created this mess with massive welfare spending and tax cuts.
#BabyBonus #FamilyTaxBenefits #SuperannuationContributionScheme #PrivateHealthInsuranceRebate #PrivateSchoolFundingFormula #FirstHomeOwnersGrant #AnnualTaxCuts
Abbott and Hockey were part of the cause of this mess.
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Brian
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Newcastle
Date and time
April 28, 2014, 9:06AM
Howe, all respect due to your overview, but whether and/or when either side returns to surplus is immaterial. Both sides would attempt to do it, the cons perhaps a bit more harshly and partisanly picking on the most vulnerable, but even that is not the point.
The point is that while Swan and co, spent their time being what was is retrospect over-optomistic about revenues in a GFC world, the cons spent the same time trumpeting loudly and to anyone who would listen that Labor's budget's were unachievable, while their prescriptions were achievable.
Loudly and clearly domestically, that is, but praising the economy when overseas.

Having had their prognostications broadly come true; in fact, as they well knew, while they brayed about waste and mismanagement, the problems are the same ones that are now biting them - loss of revenue rather than over-spending, they are now bleating that their promises of budget surpluses in their first year and every subsequent year ad infinitum are now 'inoperable' due to circumstances beyond their control, all due to Labor.
Not only are they trying to have their cake and eat it, they've stolen the flour and forced the baker to make it free of charge and sold the surplus at enormous expense to the populace.
A perspective on budget deficits and borrowings - 16 years of Pig Iron Bob saw not a single surplus, and they are looked on as the 'golden years' by conservatives.
Overseas borrowings were high - this was the age of the construction of the Snowy River Scheme and associated networks of irrigation channels among other major works.

It's nowhere near as grave as the cons make out, so long as they don't send us into recession by ripping and tearing.
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BillR
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April 28, 2014, 9:35AM
The Libs were so eager to get to government, they bs'ed their way through opposition. Abbott put his own interest before the national interest. Now his big fat mouth is coming back to haunt him. If he makes savage cuts, he's sure to break promises; if he doesn't return the budget to surplus or even come close, then he's breaking his promise of 'putting the budget right'.
Whatever happens, Abbott and Hockey should be seen as the economic charlatans and purveyors of best-selling fiction that they truly are.

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meatatarian
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April 28, 2014, 9:39AM

Howe, how do you arrive at the conclusion that we are in "dire straits"? The only people who are panicking are people who a) no nothing of the budget process b) haven't looked at the economic statistics c) and no little about economics.
This I can tell you - any supposed budget problem wont be fixed by Abbott handing money to the rich, by bashing the poor. Unless he takes on the business welfare, and the superannuation rort, all he will achieve is a short-lived boost to the rich, a short redistribution to the wealthy.
Labor is the party of reform - proven over and over. Liberals are the indolent rent seekers who's business rorting gets us into problems, Labor is the party left to untangle to social inequality and provide the reforms.
Garnaut indicates long term problems - many created by John Howard. Mostly the debate surrounds the shift to a net energy-exporter, and the impact on the local manufacturers, and the drop in local business because of the hight dollar - its cheaper to import. But the problem isn''t the high wage - even at $6.50 and hour, China is still cheaper, because their currency is fixed to be export friendly.
And if China collapses? Well, we will lose a proportion of income that currently is sent either overseas to the mine owners, to to a few local magnates. The worst part is that our TVs and dishwashers will be 30% more expensive.
And properties along train lines will become even more expensive as Chines flee their economy and dump their money into Australian real estate.
Garnaut points out many challenges that require attention - none of these will be handled by merely shoving wads of cash from the poor to the rich, many of them overseas.
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Axis
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April 28, 2014, 11:06AM

I think it's time to ask ourselves how we managed to assemble a government full of so many weirdos and freaks. It's like the Three Stooges but with the Three Stooges there was only three of them. It's as if every one of the nastiest least popular most bitterly entitled kids from every school across the country formed a club and now they're out to get us. Where does the LNP find these creatures. They even make Clive Palmer look sane.
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GOV
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April 28, 2014, 10:41AM
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
ALP had 6 years and three pM's. Libs 7 months with a senate that is woeful and shows the lack of any democratic ideals in the ALP when they stop legislation they themselves would have enacted had they won. Sheer bloody minded and shows that they think the people are cattle and should not have any say at all. True Socialism at its best.

The way this government is going they'll only have three years to blame the previous government before they'll be back in opposition.

They are acting like they have the right to put through whatever ideological change they see fit without enough votes in the Senate to achieve it.

They've got no one to blame but themselves at this stage.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
On the "Deficit levy" nice bit of marketing IMHO, create a tax to fix Labor's "excesses", they could even call it the Rudd/Gillard memorial tax

They could even have it come in and then stop when the deficit reaches a specific percentage of GDP
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
Will any deficit levy pay for our joint strike fighters.

Personally I would have liked to have seen cranes and forklifts purchased if we all have to do the heavy lifting.
 

redstragic

Alan Cameron (40)
Will any deficit levy pay for our joint strike fighters.

Personally I would have liked to have seen cranes and forklifts purchased if we all have to do the heavy lifting.


If they can do dump and burns then renting them out to fireworks, v8 races etc will help pay them off.

just thinking how awesome it would be if they extended to bucks parties, 21st, 40th birthdays etc.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
I certainly expect within the next two terms of government an estate or death tax will be brought in. Probably between 20% and 30%. I was a little surprised that it didn't get brought up in this budget.

As for the JSF issue I would still like an answer to the questions surrounding all the significant military procurements of recent times which have seen all the contracts awarded to US manufacturers with either limited or no tender process.
- for example the Lockhead-Martin was awarded the contract/ Australia signed onto the development before the Eurofighter group even got to make their presentation.
- The Australian Army was supplied with 2nd hand M1 Abrahms tanks which they didn't and still don't have the logistical capability to supply in the field. This was done without a complete presentation from the Germans or the English with their platforms having had similar proven battle experience, and significantly less onerous support requirements.
- Naval procurements of 2nd hand ships.

Something has gone on with defence contracts in a bi-partisan manner as it has been across both Liberal and Labour governments and still no debate is raised in the house. WTF is going on?
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Certain people seem enamoured by CBAs.

Where are the CBAs (down the back of the lounge)?

Are they required only for some things?
 

Runner

Nev Cottrell (35)
I certainly expect within the next two terms of government an estate or death tax will be brought in. Probably between 20% and 30%. I was a little surprised that it didn't get brought up in this budget.

As for the JSF issue I would still like an answer to the questions surrounding all the significant military procurements of recent times which have seen all the contracts awarded to US manufacturers with either limited or no tender process.
- for example the Lockhead-Martin was awarded the contract/ Australia signed onto the development before the Eurofighter group even got to make their presentation.
- The Australian Army was supplied with 2nd hand M1 Abrahms tanks which they didn't and still don't have the logistical capability to supply in the field. This was done without a complete presentation from the Germans or the English with their platforms having had similar proven battle experience, and significantly less onerous support requirements.
- Naval procurements of 2nd hand ships.

Something has gone on with defence contracts in a bi-partisan manner as it has been across both Liberal and Labour governments and still no debate is raised in the house. WTF is going on?

Much European equipment is designed to operate in a smaller battle area. The mirages in the 70's were a problem to even fly across Australia due to the fuel load which might be good for a country the size of France but not Australia. US jets have the range as they are the same requirements as we have.

Similar problems exist with warships designed to operate in areas close to land and air support. So they are smaller and armed more lightly. Our ships operate away from the coast over much greater distances and thus US ships designed to do Pacific duty are also better.

Agree on the main battle tanks.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
I certainly expect within the next two terms of government an estate or death tax will be brought in. Probably between 20% and 30%. I was a little surprised that it didn't get brought up in this budget.

As for the JSF issue I would still like an answer to the questions surrounding all the significant military procurements of recent times which have seen all the contracts awarded to US manufacturers with either limited or no tender process.
- for example the Lockhead-Martin was awarded the contract/ Australia signed onto the development before the Eurofighter group even got to make their presentation.
- The Australian Army was supplied with 2nd hand M1 Abrahms tanks which they didn't and still don't have the logistical capability to supply in the field. This was done without a complete presentation from the Germans or the English with their platforms having had similar proven battle experience, and significantly less onerous support requirements.
- Naval procurements of 2nd hand ships.

Something has gone on with defence contracts in a bi-partisan manner as it has been across both Liberal and Labour governments and still no debate is raised in the house. WTF is going on?

Military spending is about the only area of government where taxpayers aren't the direct stakeholders to see the results of their spending.

We spend many billions of dollars a year and unlike other government departments, taxpayers aren't really aware when the money is poorly used as there are no direct services provided to the public.

After all the issues and delays with the JSF program it is mind boggling that we have signed up to buy many more of the things.
 

BPC

Phil Hardcastle (33)
That's an exaggeration if ever I've heard one.

Often it's to have a feed from the trough.

Alternatively, when in Parliament, it's often to delight in the sound of their own voice and to dazzle everyone with their erudition and wit.

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Nev Cottrell (35)
Military spending is about the only area of government where taxpayers aren't the direct stakeholders to see the results of their spending.

We spend many billions of dollars a year and unlike other government departments, taxpayers aren't really aware when the money is poorly used as there are no direct services provided to the public.

After all the issues and delays with the JSF program it is mind boggling that we have signed up to buy many more of the things.

Senate committee review with press present and questions asked.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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