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HSBC 7's - Round 10 - London

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galumay

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I heard that Ryan didn't want him in the team but he was over-ruled.


Something obviously went on behind the scenes, its bemusing that he should get picked in the world's number 1 team, in a tournament where they needed to play well to get the title this year, with no reason to imagine he would be up to the task at hand.

As expected he showed he neither has the fitness nor skills to be playing in the Fijian team - and it would be an absolute disgrace if some internal politics led to him being in the squad for Rio at the expense of a real Fijian player - and one that had been involved in the squad for the whole season.

The whole thing has the look of a marketing exercise, brand Hayne may have proved to be irresistible to either the Fiji board or more likely to the World Sevens management.
 

Brumby Runner

David Wilson (68)
Aus results speak volumes about the team selection. Only proved what should have been obvious beforehand, that most of those players have no chance of going to Rio, and it was wasted opportunity not to play the best side available.
 
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galumay

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Aus results speak volumes about the team selection. Only proved what should have been obvious beforehand, that most of those players have no chance of going to Rio, and it was wasted opportunity not to play the best side available.


Another case of keyboard warriors knowing more than professional management and coaches?!
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
Another case of keyboard warriors knowing more than professional management and coaches?!

Like it or not, in the case of the 'professional management and coaches' over sighting Australian rugby many keyboard warriors here have often been proved smarter and more insightful than 'the elite in charge', in fact time and time again.

One of the many reasons why this is a place worth returning to.
 
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galumay

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Like it or not, in the case of the 'professional management and coaches' over sighting Australian rugby many keyboard warriors here have often been proved smarter and more insightful than 'the elite in charge', in fact time and time again.


Thats some powerful self delusion you have got going there. Too many swigs of the Kool-aid me thinks!

I cant think of one single occasion where there is the slightest proof that the keyboard warriors have proven to be smarter and more insightful than the professional management and coaches. (BTW, believing you are smarter or more insightful is not proof.)

There is a lot of confirmation bias going on in online forums which adds to the delusion.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Nail on head!
If you look at some of the players he has recruited to play for Tribe,it's difficult to believe that he is competent.

Depends on what we use as a standard for competence. If we compare him to Geraint John for example.............................................;)
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
Two words: Richard Graham.


Let me add some more just quickly and randomly recalled equivalents to that above so galumay can consider this matter a bit further:

- multiple posters here argued before the BIL series started that JO'C would prove unworthy and loss-contributing as a 10 in the BIL 2013 series

- despite endless ARU PR emissions, multiple posters here in early 2011 predicted rightly that re-signing Deans prematurely in April 2011 would prove a huge mistake, that he'd do poorly as HC at RWC 2011 and not improve the Wallabies thereafter

- posters here predicted re RWC 2011 that QC (Quade Cooper) would seriously under-perform at RWC 2011 and potentially damage the Wallabies chances especially within Deans-type game plans

- posters here predicted after just 1-2 Wallaby matches in 2012 that Blades would prove poor a Wallaby set-piece coach and that he'd need replacing

- posters here predicted that KB (Kurtley Beale) would never prove a good-enough 10 at Super and national levels (despite his great attributes in other positions)

- some exceptionally good analysis of the Tahs here in the Hickey and Foley HC years predicted (early on) that persistence with these types of HC at the Tahs would (a) destroy the Tahs then fan base (b) decimate the Tahs RU's economic situation and (c) lead to worsening losses and unconvincing wins....and so it proved

- posters here predicted (very early on) that Graham would never improve the Force in 2011 (on the contrary, that he'd worsen them) and that when Foley was appointed there and before he coached a game in Perth that he'd take the Force nowhere and that these ill-judged calls by WARugby's 'professional management' would send that RU into chronic fan failure and virtual bankruptcy (as has happened)

- early on, posters here predicted the Rebels would end up costing the ARU a vast sum of $s to keep them alive, all this when the ARU was assuring the public that the early private equity model would limit the ARU's exposure to only moderate sums

- many posters here have consistently argued that too little ARU investment was being placed into areas of building or re-building crucial systemic rugby skills at elite levels such as kicking (hand and place), scrummaging, catch, pass, offloading etc (have a look at how we're going v NZ teams in the 2016 Super rounds to see if this observation has correctness or not)

- posters here predicted (on considered arguments, not just patriotic mush) that Cheika could and would take the Wallabies to the Final of the RWC 2015 whilst most of the mainline Australian rugby media thought we'd surely fall behind England, SA, possibly Wales, ABs.

I would argue that GAGR (and parts of The Roar) have been for years now by far the best repositories for quality assessments of the real state of Australian rugby coaches/-ing and Australian rugby's 'professional management'.

(Mind you, the 'professional management' of Australian rugby has given us so many rich targets that critiquing same has become more or less like shooting fish in a barrel.)
 

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
Gee, Redshappy, maybe we should get the knowledgeable "posters" here to give us the winning Lotto numbers?
 

TSR

Mark Ella (57)
Thats some powerful self delusion you have got going there. Too many swigs of the Kool-aid me thinks!

I cant think of one single occasion where there is the slightest proof that the keyboard warriors have proven to be smarter and more insightful than the professional management and coaches. (BTW, believing you are smarter or more insightful is not proof.)

There is a lot of confirmation bias going on in online forums which adds to the delusion.
Galumay - this post seems to be at odds with the majority of your others. You frequently post here to complain about the gap between the skills and intensity of the top level of Australian rugby, yet in this post seem to reject any criticism of those in charge by the wider public of 'key-board Warriors'.

Sure, I get that opinions expressed on here are not the be all and end all, but you can't be seriously suggesting that none of the criticism on here of Australian coaching and admin have been valid?
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Galumay - this post seems to be at odds with the majority of your others. You frequently post here to complain about the gap between the skills and intensity of the top level of Australian rugby, yet in this post seem to reject any criticism of those in charge by the wider public of 'key-board Warriors'.

Sure, I get that opinions expressed on here are not the be all and end all, but you can't be seriously suggesting that none of the criticism on here of Australian coaching and admin have been valid?

It's always amusing when someone who doesn't mind being a bit of keyboard warrior seeks to denegrate others, not by logically answering their opinions, but by dismissing them as a "keyboard warrior."
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Let me add some more just quickly and randomly recalled equivalents to that above so galumay can consider this matter a bit further:

- multiple posters here argued before the BIL series started that JO'C would prove unworthy and loss-contributing as a 10 in the BIL 2013 series

- despite endless ARU PR emissions, multiple posters here in early 2011 predicted rightly that re-signing Deans prematurely in April 2011 would prove a huge mistake, that he'd do poorly as HC at RWC 2011 and not improve the Wallabies thereafter

- posters here predicted re RWC 2011 that QC (Quade Cooper) would seriously under-perform at RWC 2011 and potentially damage the Wallabies chances especially within Deans-type game plans

- posters here predicted after just 1-2 Wallaby matches in 2012 that Blades would prove poor a Wallaby set-piece coach and that he'd need replacing

- posters here predicted that KB (Kurtley Beale) would never prove a good-enough 10 at Super and national levels (despite his great attributes in other positions)

- some exceptionally good analysis of the Tahs here in the Hickey and Foley HC years predicted (early on) that persistence with these types of HC at the Tahs would (a) destroy the Tahs then fan base (b) decimate the Tahs RU's economic situation and (c) lead to worsening losses and unconvincing wins..and so it proved

- posters here predicted (very early on) that Graham would never improve the Force in 2011 (on the contrary, that he'd worsen them) and that when Foley was appointed there and before he coached a game in Perth that he'd take the Force nowhere and that these ill-judged calls by WARugby's 'professional management' would send that RU into chronic fan failure and virtual bankruptcy (as has happened)

- early on, posters here predicted the Rebels would end up costing the ARU a vast sum of $s to keep them alive, all this when the ARU was assuring the public that the early private equity model would limit the ARU's exposure to only moderate sums

- many posters here have consistently argued that too little ARU investment was being placed into areas of building or re-building crucial systemic rugby skills at elite levels such as kicking (hand and place), scrummaging, catch, pass, offloading etc (have a look at how we're going v NZ teams in the 2016 Super rounds to see if this observation has correctness or not)

- posters here predicted (on considered arguments, not just patriotic mush) that Cheika could and would take the Wallabies to the Final of the RWC 2015 whilst most of the mainline Australian rugby media thought we'd surely fall behind England, SA, possibly Wales, ABs.

I would argue that GAGR (and parts of The Roar) have been for years now by far the best repositories for quality assessments of the real state of Australian rugby coaches/-ing and Australian rugby's 'professional management'.

(Mind you, the 'professional management' of Australian rugby has given us so many rich targets that critiquing same has become more or less like shooting fish in a barrel.)

Like is barely adequate for this post.:)
 

TSR

Mark Ella (57)
Posters on here have also predicted many things which didn't occur or failed to eventuate.
Absolutely they have - and the incorrect opinions probably out number the accurate ones by a mile. But there have been the odd accurate observation made on here too. At least a couple, by my reckoning.
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
Posters on here have also predicted many things which didn't occur or failed to eventuate.

So what? The discussion point here was whether posters here had advanced a body of insights and observations that had over multiple times proved more correct and insightful than Aus rugby's 'professional management' and elite coaches.

That there have also been failed predictions and so forth on these boards is both irrelevant and inevitable.

What we can usefully say in symmetry with your observation is that even the most cursory assessment would show there have been many 'failed predictions...etc' by the Australian rugby managerial and professional coaching elites, so the dear body of GAGR posters here is not alone in that dimension.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
So what? The discussion point here was whether posters here had advanced a body of insights and observations that had over multiple times proved more correct and insightful than Aus rugby's 'professional management' and elite coaches.

That there have also been failed predictions and so forth on these boards is both irrelevant and inevitable.

What we can usefully say in symmetry with your observation is that even the most cursory assessment would show there have been many 'failed predictions.etc' by the Australian rugby managerial and professional coaching elites, so the dear body of GAGR posters here is not alone in that dimension.

Noting also that in many of the examples that you gave above, it wasn't merely one "keyboard warrior" who expressed those views, rather it was usually an overwhelming body of opinion on these threads. And in fact, the usual band of ARU apologists who appear here often sought to argue for the flawed decisions of the powers that be - in some cases to the bitter end.
 
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