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Lance is a cheat? Yes or no

Discussion in 'Cycling' started by I like to watch, Jun 14, 2012.

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Lance is a cheat?

Yes 42 vote(s) 84.0%
No 8 vote(s) 16.0%
  1. waratahjesus Greg Davis (50)

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    I had a friend helped out a bit in Canada by Lances charity. I hoped the guy was clean but it's seemed a bit muddy for a few years. My mate not only beat cancer but took up cycling and raising money for Armstrong to help others.

    I've been trying to see this from lances side as a PR move of an innocent man, but seriously, weary from fighting? Your whole philosophy has been about fighting and fighting more, it's what you tel cancer patients, it's what you tell there families and friends and it's what made people look up to you as a great champion of not only sport but life. I just can't understand it.

    I hope there is some way the charity can distance itself or become independent of him, they do some very good work, maybe they can rebrand it or join with an existing charity, but lance should go hide in a cave now, I just can't see the good and innocent in this in any way.
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  2. Torn Hammy Johnnie Wallace (23)

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  3. Bruwheresmycar Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    I don't see how this really changes his story (regarding his charity work). He came back from cancer to become the best cyclist in the world regardless of drugs. (which he used to win some races, sure.)

    As an athlete, his constant lying and denial of all this is the real sad part. But I don't see how that crosses over into work he does outside of cycling. However, this is coming from someone who has suspected all this for years and I'm not remotely surprised at the news.
  4. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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    Its pushed me right up the rankings - just as Tiger's absence helped my PGA ranking.
    Does he have to give back prize money?
    His fans are apparently rallying to his "defence" on facebook. How can you defend someone (I mean literally) when he has given up defending himself.
    The deeper moral issue threatening his integrity (which he seemed to trade on pretty heavily) is that he claims innocence. A non-cheat in his position, with his prior claim to the moral high ground, would go down fighting blaming the system if he had to.
    Giving up and blaming the system doesn't really cut it.
    Odd, really..he never quit when he was on a bike..evidently there's no defence enhancing drugs out there!
  5. Bullrush Jim Lenehan (48)

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    I don't really know what he has to win if he continued fighting. I'm not saying he's innocent but I don't know how the outcome of the case would change too many people's minds either way.

    I could be wrong but I reckon most people have already made up their mind anyway..
  6. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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    I think you're right but if everyone took that attitude you guys would be having a training run tomorrow night!
  7. ChargerWA Mark Loane (55)

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    Don't lament the possible demise of LiveStrong. From all accounts, for the money it has raked in, the value of its achievements are hard to pin down.
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  8. Bruwheresmycar Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    For a start he is going to get a life ban. This might also cause him problems with his Ironman career (however I'm not sure on that). Also, if he hasn't doped then he can stick it to the USADA and make them try to prove it in a courtroom.

    However if he has doped to win the tour, and the USADA have witness after witness, transaction records, page after page of evidence showing him spending millions on doping and keeping it a secret. He has tons to lose. I think if this came out surely there would be no honest thinking individuals out there who still take him seriously on this issue?
  9. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    Don't forget that Marion Jones went to jail for false testimony in her drugs case, not for the actual cheating.
    That increases the degree of difficulty for Lance. also knowing what one or two witnesses would say makes it even harder to defend, one would think.
  10. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    If I had the financial resources he has and I knew I was innocent I would fight like buggery to clear my name. For many professions your reputation and good name is everything. I guess he can still live a comfortable life off the proceeds, but it would leave a very sour taste in my mouth if it were me.
  11. Sully John Eales (66)

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    Seems like now he can say I was innocent but didn't contest because of my family. Seems like a cop out to me.
  12. Jethro Tah Bob Loudon (25)

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    So now that Lance has given up contesting, what is stopping the USADA from publishing their evidence?
  13. Ash Michael Lynagh (62)

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    This.

    No denying it has helped a lot of people. But it gets pretty shady the more you dig into it.

    The charitible organisation LiveStrong itself isn't too bad, but it spends a lot of money on promoting itself. My other beef is that the charity is about "cancer awareness", it doesn't actually give money to research to cure cancer.

    There is a for profit company called LiveStrong as well, which adds to the confusion (see www.livestrong.com).
  14. waratahjesus Greg Davis (50)

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    I will say in its defense (having not dug into finer details) that live strong sponsored cancer survivors in Canada to hospitals to help current patients with what they were going through.it was a simple yet really effective helping hand.

    That said, don't know finer details so happy to be told otherwise.
  15. lily Vay Wilson (31)

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    Say it ain't so. Please for the love of God. I hope he isn't a drug chat like Jones and the rest of the people who took the Clear from Balco. So disappointed if he did this.
  16. G&GR News Bot Bob McCowan (2)

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    The worlds most celebrated and recognized cyclists Lance Armstrong has today announced that he will no longer be fighting the doping charges being pressed by the US Anti-Doping Agency.
    In a lengthy press release, Armstrong stated “there comes a point in every man’s life where he has to say, ‘Enough is enough’, for me that time is now”. The American added that he believed the whole USADA investgation was a ‘unconstitutional witch hunt’, citing the effect the charges have had on his family and foundation work.
    It is assumed the USADA will treat Armstrong’s decision as an admission of guilt, and place the title of drug cheat on the athlete who has been a hero to thousands of cancer patients worldwide. It is expected the agency will impose a lifetime ban and recommend to the International Cycling Union that Armstrong should be stripped of his titles.
    The USADA maintains that the seven time Tour de France winner has used banned substances as far back as 1996, including the blood-booster EPO, steriods and blood transfusions. It has also stated that it has blood tests from 2009/10 that are consistent with blood doping.
    For the general public this announcement will come as a shock, but for those who have followed cycling for an extended period, the storm clouds have been building over Armstrong for a long time now.
    It has been well documented the exposure many teams had to performance enhancing substances during the 90′s untill the mid 2000′s. Armstrong had even tested positive in 2001 for testosterone injections, but got a back dated TUE from a medical advisor.
    In 2009 more questions were raised when Armstrongs biological passport values showed his blood values improved over the Tour de France, a physiological impossibility. Finally, many of his ex-teammates have confessed and testified against him, indicating that on numerous occasions they witnessed Armstrong injecting these substances into his body.
    This decision and the forthcoming truth is set to divide many cycling fans the world-over. It seems that this decision is an admission of guilt, and no doubt, he will be treated in the same vein as previously caught champions such as Alberto Contador, Floyd Landis and Alexandre Vinokourov.
    The post Lance Armstrong Won’t Fight Doping Charges appeared first on Green and Gold Cycling.

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  17. AngrySeahorse Peter Sullivan (51)

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    I read that very large article, boy talk about eye opening, & very deflating at the same time. To me the info in the interview does not paint Lance in a very good light at all.

    Agree regarding Bassons. What a brave bloke. Full respect to him. Even when drugs aren't involved it is so hard sometimes to stand up to the popular cliques that go on in sport. The drug clique sounded like it was quite a large one.

    As far as Lance not fighting to clear his name goes I think it is possible for someone to just be beyond caring & to be emotionally exhausted - even in the case that they are innocent. Even when it is someone with the money to fight it legally & the harsh background fighting cancer that Lance has - sometimes people just have enough. However, the evidence that has accumulated, rather than his reluctance to fight it all, is more damning. Even fighting the evidence looks pretty futile to me - Lance is looking at damage control now for mine.

    I am so disappointed at this news :(

    Maybe they need Gyno's cause a side effect of doping is that they break out in vaginas. Or maybe I'm confusing this with the effects of vegetarianism. Bigger news flash - we discover some of the cyclists on the TdF were women!

    Trying desperately hard to find jokes at the mo, this topic is a downer.
  18. Karl Bill McLean (32)

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    If what he says in his statement is remotely accurate then I fully understand and support his position. Any finding of the USADA in those circumstances is so tainted as to be worthless in my view.

    We're all entitled to procedural fairness and whilst some might be sympathetic to the USADA's goals you just can't pursue them in the way they seem to have done.

    The whole thing reeks.
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  19. Scarfman Knitter of the Scarf

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    Your response is exactly why Armstrong took the position he did.
  20. rugbyisfun Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Lances drug habit goes a long way to explaining Sheryl Crows massive proboscis . She obviously dipped her honker in one of his 'game day' drinks one night without knowing ..

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