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Lance is a cheat? Yes or no

Discussion in 'Cycling' started by I like to watch, Jun 14, 2012.

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Lance is a cheat?

Yes 42 vote(s) 84.0%
No 8 vote(s) 16.0%
  1. Bruwheresmycar Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    If the didn't go after Lance even with all the evidence they have against him. That would be considered "not going after all drugs cheats". It is unfair on all the people who got podiums in GT GC's over that decade and were suspended for doping and testing positive if they get everyone BUT Lance. Lance is one of the last to go.
  2. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    No issue with that. What I want to see now is the evidence in the public domain. USADA say what they have is damning, so let's see it.
  3. Bruwheresmycar Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    Well it would be in the public domain if Lance decides to challenge the ruling. Until then they wont release a lot of stuff, for example if they release the testamonies of witnesses, Lance will go after them before the hearing. Also, I'm not so sure all of the data is hidden. Depends on what you are looking for, a lot of it is probably somewhere on the internet.
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  4. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Hasn't he already sought to have it kept quiet and failed though?
  5. Baldric Jim Clark (26)

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  6. Gagger Nick Farr-Jones (63)

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  7. Torn Hammy Johnnie Wallace (23)

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  8. Ash Michael Lynagh (62)

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  9. Bruwheresmycar Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    I think it turns out they offered the entire group of US Postal riders/trainers/doctors directly involved in this doping ring a quiet way out. The other 10 accepted the deal/sanctions the USADA gave out, but Armstrong was the only one to take this route of legally challenging their power ect.

    So yea in the end I can't see how this isn't a case of going after entire rings of drug cheats. Hardly a witch hunt. If it was the other guys would surely mount challenges along with Armstrong.

    edit: And news is coming out that the USADA plan to send evidence of positive samples to the UCI in a 2 weeks time. Hopefully the definitive evidence comes out at some point in the near future for all to see.
  10. Bruwheresmycar Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    It's coming..

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/usada-outlines-armstrong-evidence-in-case-file_256450

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/usadas-armstrong-reasoned-decision-full-text_256618
  11. Moses Simon Poidevin (60)

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    Fark


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19903716
  12. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    I'm glad that this is now out in the public domain to a degree. It will be interesting to see how the UCI handles it from here.
  13. Baldric Jim Clark (26)

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    I think the only matter in dispute is how much did he cheat.
    We know what the people have confessed to and saw LA do, what else did he do which was out of sight or not spoken about to team members. He would have had to have done something to keep himself as the leader of the team
  14. Pauly Sydney Middleton (9)

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    Well Lance was right about one thing - It's not about the bike!
  15. Torn Hammy Johnnie Wallace (23)

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    This is just a minor hiccup in the domination of drugs in sport.

    Armstrong has just reinforced the unfortunate fact that drugs will win you championships and make you wealthy. This is the message that all struggling athletes will take in.

    We need to impose criminal charges, confiscate prizemoney and sponsorships, and get these pricks doing serious jail time. That goes for the dodgy officials as well. Geez I hate drugs.
  16. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    I don't like them in sport either, but I would stop short of criminal proceedings. On what basis would they occur? A sport's governing body can impose any sanctions they like, including confiscating titles and prize money (that might be debatable in court), but jail time would be a whole other matter.
  17. Schadenfreude John Solomon (38)

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  18. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    In Lances' case he will almost certainly go to jail.
    The grub sued one of his sponsors who withheld bonus money on the basis that they suspected him of cheating.He sued them and won the case as the sponsor couldn't prove he was a cheat.In the process he clearly committed perjury.
    Remember Marion Jones did 6 months for perjury,when she was dragged into court by USADA.
    Lance dragged the sponsor into court and lied so the court would award him $5M. That's got to earn him a stiffer penalty than 6 months.
  19. Torn Hammy Johnnie Wallace (23)

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    It wasn't that they couldn't prove he was a cheat, he won the case as there was nothing about cheating in the original contract. So he will be safe here, unfortunately.

    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ayment-from-Armstrong-to-Ferrari-in-2006.aspx

    Not a bad bonus for the dodgy doctor.
  20. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    And that would be fair enough, because there is a law already on the books for that. Cheating in sport isn't a crime, but lying in court is and I'm fine with there being criminal punishment for that.

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