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Ledesma keen to stay in Oz

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Tomikin

David Codey (61)
I'm thinking of put this up on my wall
Im thinking of putting this up on my wall.. but each to there own
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TOCC

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If you cannot acknowledge the good work Stiles has done with the Reds and Brisbane City scrum then please stay out of any future discussions involving forward packs.

Greg Holmes had his bags packed for retirement before Stiles came along and brought him back to a level where test selectors couldn't ignore his form.

Both Ledesma and Stiles are both very good scrummaging coaches and it will do Australia well if they are both retained in coaching roles for for the next few years.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Sounds like you guys have Stiles and Slipper up on your wall.
Sounds like you have Justin Bieber up on yours.

Just stop talking/typing about scrums for your own sake. I was never a big Stiles fan when he was playing, but the evidence is there.
 

pjm

Billy Sheehan (19)
I was never a big Stiles fan when he was playing, but the evidence is there.

Well at least someone agrees with me on something.

Such heated defence for Stiles must be worth something. I'll put my prejudice aside and watch with a fresh mind in the future.
 
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Well at least someone agrees with me on something.

Such heated defence for Stiles must be worth something. I'll put my prejudice aside and watch with a fresh mind in the future.


pjm, do you believe that the Reds and Brisbane City scrum have performed badly over the past 2 years?
 

pjm

Billy Sheehan (19)
The Reds have been average. And I mean average as in average and not as in bad.

Talakai got found out with an easily identifiable fault, feet too far back. He was pinged multiple games for it and there never seemed to be any technique change. I know Talakai is very young but that is poor coaching by Stiles there.

Persisted with Fainga'a at hooker despite playing terribly. Finally gave Hanson a chance half way through the season after his bench cameo's became impossible to ignore. Hanson is now on his way to the Rebels who have Leafa who is better than Fainga'a. Why would Hanson leave?

Daley is probably the worst he has ever been.

Slippers foot work and body height is sub par. He fails to keep a straight back and a lot of the times at risk of dropping his bind or even being driven up in the air by the TH if a good shove gets put on.

Greg Holmes is playing well. He attributes that to more weight work in the last 2-3 years though also credits a lot of work with Stiles. If a prop is crediting more weight work then the coaching and s+c was way off in years gone past.

Stiles is the forwards coach, not the set piece coach. The Reds have been quite woeful at the rucks. Gill stands out so much because he's pretty much the lone ranger out there.

Schatz is a passenger while he had Thompson playing out wide when he was needed in close. You can only afford to send a back rower out wide if you're putting up a good contest in the rucks.

There's people with their fingers closer to the pulse than me so if they can share their opinions we can have a discussion.
 
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Fortunately the experts see things a little differently to you PJM..

"What we are trying to do here, and I think we did it really well during the Super Rugby, is change that perception everyone has of the Australian team," Ledesma said.
"If you look at most of the Australian teams throughout the (Super Rugby) competition, they were dominating in the scrums, especially the Queensland Reds.
"It's just showing everybody that we're there to scrum, and we want to contest.

Hence, Cheika has asked Stiles to steer sessions for the scrum and line-out during the preliminary Wallabies train-on camp made up of 22 players from the Reds, Western Force and Melbourne Rebels who have missed the Super Rugby finals.
Cheika said there would be a "strong forward focus" in the Brisbane camp for the squad that is 45-strong now with the Waratahs and Brumbies players still playing Super Rugby included, but will be cut to 35 for their Sunshine Coast camp from July 5-11.
"The Reds scrum has been outstanding this year," Cheika said. "We discussed [Stiles' participation] when they were down … He has done a great job with them this year."
Cheika has not named a Wallabies forwards coach, but said he is "nearly there" to settling on a specialist coach for the scrum line-out, driving maul "and tight parts of the game".
"I would say within the next few days something is going to happen," Cheika said.
Asked about Stiles' candidacy, Cheika said: "He has got his own things happening going forward,"


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/wallabies-coach-michael-cheika-looks-to-outstanding-reds-scrum-for-strength-20150615-ghoge9.html#ixzz3o4NuIsnl

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Iñaki Zubizarreta

Herbert Moran (7)
Don't think it's been announced yet - might be waiting until after the WC.

He certainly came to the Waratahs as a "coaching observer". That role may have developed over time though, and you'd imagine the ARU/NSWRU pays better than the UAR


Clearly, Ledesma is not doing that because of money. In our country, we have many scrum coaches, so I think he's waiting for his turn in the national team. Meanwhile, he works with the best people who hire him, and that is Australia. He had other offers, but he accepted the aussie one. I really want him and Gonzalo Quesada as coaches for Argentina Super Rugby team.
 

Viking

Mark Ella (57)
If you cannot acknowledge the good work Stiles has done with the Reds and Brisbane City scrum then please stay out of any future discussions involving forward packs.

Greg Holmes had his bags packed for retirement before Stiles came along and brought him back to a level where test selectors couldn't ignore his form.

Both Ledesma and Stiles are both very good scrummaging coaches and it will do Australia well if they are both retained in coaching roles for for the next few years.


Great point TOCC. The Reds scrum this year has been a shining light in what was otherwise a poor Reds season.

Dan Palmer has also been doing a great job with the Brumbies. There scrum has had it's up's and downs this year but otherwise it has performed very well - at least when Sio was back.

Not taking anything away from Ledesma, but his job was a lot easier then previous scrum coaches who has to work with the "Benn's".

Sio, Slipper, Moore, TPN, Kepu and Holmes were all scrummaging very well at super level before Ledesma came along.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Sio, Slipper, Moore, TPN, Kepu and Holmes were all scrummaging very well at super level before Ledesma came along.


To be fair...........

A number of Wallaby props, Ben Alexander included, have scrummaged extremely well at Super Rugby level for a number of years...........

And yet the Wallaby scrum remained poor.
 
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The more 'scrum doctors' we have in the country the better
“I can pretty much credit Stilesy with me getting back into the Australian system at all,” Holmes said.

“I was sort of on the outer and he came across to the Reds and sharpened me up technically and I started scrumming well enough to get back here, so without Stilesy I probably wouldn’t be here.”

http://www.redsrugby.com.au/News/Ne...OLMES-PRAISES-STILES-FOR-TEST-RESURGENCE.aspx


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MonkeyBoy

Bill Watson (15)
The more 'scrum doctors' we have in the country the better



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^^^^ this and to have them all singing the same song, 8 men, 16 feet in unison!!! No more freaking meer-cats is a beautiful thing.
 
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