NSW AAGPS Rugby 2014

[Ted S]

Latrell has finished year 12 and signed with the melbourne storm. here's hoping joeys 2014 are a welcome improvement on the last few years!

Thanks for that info

 

[lookfortalent]

A clash of childhood school mates could potentially be on the cards, where future star Latrell Robinson (St. Joseph's) looks to be on his way to Billy Slaters apprentice, could be faced by a cross code unexpected change for School boys 5/8 Andrew Deegan. Andrew could be seen in tiger coloured future after his recent form, he has been spotted with west representatives and he seems to fit the gaps where young stars are reaching the high levels. Andrews commitment to rugby is overwhelming his desire to compete on the bike, but if his cards fall right hell be on the bike warming up for nsw state of origin 2018?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

A clash of childhood school mates could potentially be on the cards, where future star Latrell Robinson (St. Joseph's) looks to be on his way to Billy Slaters apprentice, could be faced by a cross code unexpected change for School boys 5/8 Andrew Deegan. Andrew could be seen in tiger coloured future after his recent form, he has been spotted with west representatives and he seems to fit the gaps where young stars are reaching the high levels. Andrews commitment to rugby is overwhelming his desire to compete on the bike, but if his cards fall right hell be on the bike warming up for nsw state of origin 2018?

Does Deegan have a league background?

 

[Quick Hands]

A clash of childhood school mates could potentially be on the cards, where future star Latrell Robinson (St. Joseph's) looks to be on his way to Billy Slaters apprentice, could be faced by a cross code unexpected change for School boys 5/8 Andrew Deegan. Andrew could be seen in tiger coloured future after his recent form, he has been spotted with west representatives and he seems to fit the gaps where young stars are reaching the high levels. Andrews commitment to rugby is overwhelming his desire to compete on the bike, but if his cards fall right hell be on the bike warming up for nsw state of origin 2018?

Sounds like more examples of the lack of pathway opportunities for 19 year olds in rugby.

 

[I like to watch]

Does Deegan have a league background?

Don't think so,but since you raise it.His style would suit League IMO.

 

[The Great Bagsby]

Don't think so,but since you raise it.His style would suit League IMO.

The word on the grapevine is that the Wests Tigers have offered him an under 20s contract

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Who wouldn't want to live under Concord Oval Grandstand for two years?

 

[knock on]

Don't know why the tigers would bother signing Deegan when they've got some of the best young league halves around in brooks and Moses not to mention sironen already playing five eight in first grade. Deegan is fine but there is no shortage of outstanding league halves. As for being a league player he'd need to learn to play a lot more direct and go through the line against tougher defence than you find in schoolboy union

 

[fireball]

Seriously how many schoolboy union stars make any mark in rugby league? Even the best of them in recent years Beale, cooper, o'connor etc wouldn't make much of an impact IMO. The step up to men from boys union sorts enough out without throwing league into the mix.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Seriously how many schoolboy union stars make any mark in rugby league? Even the best of them in recent years Beale, cooper, o'connor etc wouldn't make much of an impact IMO. The step up to men from boys union sorts enough out without throwing league into the mix.

Well I guess you could have a look at, say, Cooper Cronk, Michael O'Connor, Russell Fairfax, Ben Kennedy, even Ryan Cross just for starters

 

[fireball]

yeah over 40 years you can find some examples and you can add wally lewis, ricky stuart and ray price to the list too. there have been others who tried and failed (tony d'arcy) and the other way league to union tuquiri, rogers, sailor, tomane, folau, sbw, jason robinson, brad thorn et al. point is there are always exceptions generally schoolboy union players aren't setting the league world alight and league has a strong pathway union needs to develop its own and keep its own. having seen him deegan would have a better shot at union than league imo.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

As interesting as the above side track may be, it is hardly relevant to NSW GPS 2014.

Any feedback on a possible competition revamp or tweak for next season?

 

[lincoln]

Does Deegan have a league background?

Not to the best of my knowledge. Dad was 1sts cricket and rugby at Joeys, and Andrew was a Lindfield junior. Also think mum is a kiwi, and not the league type.
Ps sorry Huge.

 

[Quick Hands]

As interesting as the above side track may be, it is hardly relevant to NSW GPS 2014.

Any feedback on a possible competition revamp or tweak for next season?

Prior to the basketball maelstrom, I'd heard that a least a couple of schools weren't keen to continue with 2 rounds for rugby in 2014. With everything that has been going on, I'm not sure if the Heads even got around to discussing it the other day.

 

[The Incredible Plan]

Heard a rumbling that SGS would be playing their As vs the Bs of SJC, TKS et al rather than the Cs in the 16s age group and down. No idea whether that applies to High and TAS. Or whether the rumbling is anything more than that. Seemed plausible given the results in 2013. Sorry - no intel re Opens.

 

[Quick Hands]

Heard a rumbling that SGS would be playing their As vs the Bs of SJC, TKS et al rather than the Cs in the 16s age group and down. No idea whether that applies to High and TAS. Or whether the rumbling is anything more than that. Seemed plausible given the results in 2013. Sorry - no intel re Opens.

Sensible that SGS & TAS play their As v Bs and their Bs v Ds rather than Cs and Es as was the case this year.

 

[forwards4ever]

Unless the fracas with TSC is sorted, you would have to imagine that the powers that be are not doing to much forward planning.

 

[Gary Owen III]

Sydney High, especially the 13's and 14's age groups have been performing very well against the other schools C's and F's. Both age groups have won games by often over 50 point margins and did not play against Newington and Shore (only once out of the two games) because they forfeited their fixtures. 13A's defeated Armidale while the 14A's drew. Both had highly competitive games against Joey's B's as well.

Surely if we are at the stage of C teams forfeiting against their A grade opponents then the red flags should be up and change is on the cards.

Age groups need to be done on their merits - a blanket policy is not going to work if these A sides are going to play down grades.

Such examples can be found where this will not work eg SGS U15A's defeated the Shore U15B's by about 40 points (SGS without their best player whom was in the 1sts). The Shore B team was competitive against most other schools B grades and thus SGS would have been competitive in the A comp.

 

[Quick Hands]

Surely if we are at the stage of C teams forfeiting against their A grade opponents then the red flags should be up and change is on the cards.

Age groups need to be done on their merits - a blanket policy is not going to work if these A sides are going to play down grades.

Such examples can be found where this will not work eg SGS U15A's defeated the Shore U15B's by about 40 points (SGS without their best player whom was in the 1sts). The Shore B team was competitive against most other schools B grades and thus SGS would have been competitive in the A comp.

You'd like to think that within a couple of years SGS, TAS and SHS would be able to play As on As in some age groups and As on Bs in others or against certain schools. The boys at those schools will progress more with hard games each week, provided of course the games aren't mismatches.

More problematic will be opens, as we may get to a point where SGS and TAS at least (and possibly SHS), will be too strong for 3rds, not quite up to 1sts, but logistically unable to play in the 2nds.

 

[The Incredible Plan]

Age groups need to be done on their merits - a blanket policy is not going to work if these A sides are going to play down grades.

Agree with you Gary Owen III, but I imagine it creates a planning headache. I hope this could be managed as evenly matched games are better for players, coaches, parents, the competition, and for keeping boys playing rugby.

As an example of a blanket policy not working, while SGS 15A's were comfortable winners against other schools' C's last season, others might be able to confirm that the SGS 13A's were on the receiving end of a few big score lines playing against C teams. Maybe I have the SGS age group wrong - and apologies if I have got that wrong - but if not, and that is correct, a blanket policy which gets them to play vs B teams (let alone A teams) in 2014 would create even greater mismatches and potentially duty of care issues as the boys and the collisions get bigger.

Bit beyond the thread topic but where this all leads would be a school equivalent of the graded SJRU club competition for each age group with annual pre-season grading (potentially with limited regrading after trial rounds) all theoretically with greater visibility and more reliable year to year form. This would partially solve the problem Quick Hands identified in the last post. The annual seeding process could also provide a vehicle for transparency around the parachuting in of players. (Sorry, wrong thread I know but I can barely read some if the tripe on the thread that has no name so indulge me). I know that a competition structure of this nature may upset traditionalists but it could avoid the mismatches that are currently occurring and all that ultimately leads to.