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NSW JRU State Championships & Representative Teams 2013

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Freddo Frog

Ward Prentice (10)
I thought Eastwood improved in each game all weekend and well earned their place in the grand final.

HJ, my comment regarding Norths wasn't a complaint, just an observation. I'm sure it happens all the time.
 

George Smith

Ted Thorn (20)
On an unfortunate note, whilst the U17 Manly team were on the field contesting the grand final some low-life/s raided their bags in the dressing room and stole all their cash and several mobile phones.
Same thing happened last year (at the same time) to another GF team. Same items as well, cash and phones.
 

George Smith

Ted Thorn (20)
I am surprised that the qualification ethicacy credentials have not been discussed of the Gordon U12 team in these blogs.

As most of the other teams formed a tunnel for the team playing against Gordon it brought sweet joy to their faces when Gordon was subsequently beaten.

It appears this large District is not content on having more feeder village clubs (8) than any other District or Rep team in the competition but also resorts to:
- importing players from 'out of District' came from Rockdale, Central Coast, Hurstville and Chain Valley Bay (Lake Macquarie)
- players who also been moved/poached to Lindfield from Wahroonga, Chatswood, and 3 from Hornsby
- apparently some of these players get around the SJRU "2 import rule" as they are from 'other' comps ie Sat comp and Country Comp
- 'paid' players to join them in the form of IGA food vouchers
- required players to participate in a private fee based coaching clinics (run by and proceeds go to the team's convenor) in summer with the threat of not participating may jeopardise their District rep selection
- weight management program instigated by the convenor of the team
- the convenor/instigator of all this has a son in the team
- of the 23 players in the squad 13 played for the same club team last year (= 10 have moved this year)!

It appears that there is enough evidence here to ask some questions to Lindfield and Gordon Presidents notwithstanding the competition organisers.

1. Is this what we want for U12 boys?
2. Is this the way to behave from the largest District (most players and clubs) in the State?
3. What is being done about the perpetrators?
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Reference Post #104 .

You'd have to assume that this theft is Manly's own fault them, because our excellent administrators would most certainly have warned the teams this year that there was an issue with security in the changing rooms last year.

It would almost be negligence on their behalf, IF they knew of last years theft AND they did not pass this information on to this years participants.

That is a particularly nasty theft. I can only think of the effect on a teenager of losing their mobile phone. To most it would be like having their hands cut off if not worse.

Under 17's is probably a target rich environment for thieves. Generally speaking they have more cash and better phones than the younger kids.

The Under 16's and below will still listen to Parents (to a greater degree) and either hand valuables over to Mum and Dad for safe keeping or do not take them in the first place because they were told not to take them by the Old Folks before they leave home for the ovals.

Dirty rotten bastard stunt to do to kids who are just playing a game of footy.
 

sarcophilus

Charlie Fox (21)
I am surprised that the qualification ethicacy credentials have not been discussed of the Gordon U12 team in these blogs.


It appears that there is enough evidence here to ask some questions to Lindfield and Gordon Presidents notwithstanding the competition organisers.

1. Is this what we want for U12 boys?
2. Is this the way to behave from the largest District (most players and clubs) in the State?
3. What is being done about the perpetrators?

Someone should tell the Sydney president !!!!
Do you think he would know already ?!
Given this enclave of the North Shore is the Eastern most outpost of the SA Republic such management may be seen as normal
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
I am surprised that the qualification ethicacy credentials have not been discussed of the Gordon U12 team in these blogs.

As most of the other teams formed a tunnel for the team playing against Gordon it brought sweet joy to their faces when Gordon was subsequently beaten.

It appears this large District is not content on having more feeder village clubs (8) than any other District or Rep team in the competition but also resorts to:
- importing players from 'out of District' came from Rockdale, Central Coast, Hurstville and Chain Valley Bay (Lake Macquarie)
- players who also been moved/poached to Lindfield from Wahroonga, Chatswood, and 3 from Hornsby
- apparently some of these players get around the SJRU "2 import rule" as they are from 'other' comps ie Sat comp and Country Comp
- 'paid' players to join them in the form of IGA food vouchers
- required players to participate in a private fee based coaching clinics (run by and proceeds go to the team's convenor) in summer with the threat of not participating may jeopardise their District rep selection
- weight management program instigated by the convenor of the team
- the convenor/instigator of all this has a son in the team
- of the 23 players in the squad 13 played for the same club team last year (= 10 have moved this year)!

It appears that there is enough evidence here to ask some questions to Lindfield and Gordon Presidents notwithstanding the competition organisers.

1. Is this what we want for U12 boys?
2. Is this the way to behave from the largest District (most players and clubs) in the State?
3. What is being done about the perpetrators?

Not sure if sarcophilus is having a go, but your posts are models of good judgment and analysis so i am taking your comments seriously and consider that if even 1 of your examples is accurate this a very sad development.
Can you cite sources - as vaguely as you like and do you propose to do anything with the information?
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Interesting timeshifting going on at SJRU web site.

Pretty sure that earlier today the 41 nominated U17 trialists were required for a game on Friday night at 6:30 pm. I now see that this has moved to Sunday night at 6 30 pm.

This imposes an interesting workload on the selected boys. Most are playing either Colts or junior club games this weekend. Some have School games, and a couple have School representative games.

Those playing SJRU Opens A have games on Sunday 16 June starting as late as 3:40 pm at Porter Reserve. They are then expected to high tail it across town to Dural by 6:30 pm to play a trial match for selection for the Sydney Team.

Any boys in CHS I or II , ISA I or II or CCC will also be having a NSW Schools Trial Match at Pittwater Park on Sunday Afternoon.

I suppose it is necessary for the Selectors to see the boys again on Sunday just to make sure that the 2 boys from Southern Districts that didn't play in the State Champs "get a fair go". It is not their fault that another district couldn't find a slot for them. They can't be very active facebook users because one facebook based squad was apparently short of players and could have done with a couple of extra bench players.

The selectors must not have seen enough of the boys in the U17's over the 4 games the boys played on the weekend (and an extra 70 minute game on Monday for the Manly boys)?

I am fairly sure that any boys in the ISA, CHS, or CCC selections will be at Pittwater park and will be tendering their excuses for yet another trial game.

Is this yet another example of the inefficiency of U16 and U17 footy with its dual pathways. The kids have already performed for CCC/ISA/CHS/CAS selectors, re-performed for SJRU selectors in 4 games over the long weekend, and yet they are still expected to submit themselves for more trials. For what purpose and in who's benefit is this? An administrators ego or the best interests of a child?

Where is the common sense? I reckon there are a fair few parents asking WTF right about now.

I note with some amusement that 10to12 has posted "to the victor goes the spoils" on another thread about the seemingly disproportionate number of Illawarra U17 lads in the Country U17 team, particularly when they only won the Final by 3 points over Central Coast.

Manly win the State Championships and as a reward [10to12 "victory spoils"] (neglecting the theft of phones and cash from the change sheds) they get 10 boys nominated to trial for slots in the City team.

Eastwood who were comfortably beaten by the Central Coast team, (who were beaten by Manly twice), and were also comfortably beaten by Penrith are rewarded for their efforts over the weekend with 11 boys named in the trial for the final squad. Is this a reward for convincingly beating the Illawarra team that was severely understrength with only two on the bench and looked nothing like the NSW Country Championship winning team?

Penrith who beat Eastwood by 10 points are rewarded with four players being deemed suitably talented enough to try out for a slot to represent City.

West Harbour who managed to win only one game against the last place getter, and win another game on forfeit are rewarded with 7 boys in the final trial squad.

The Rats have 6 nominations for trial despite the wheels falling off their title tilt during Sundays games.

Seems we do things differently in the City to divide up the spoils of victory.

I am looking forward to the release of the U16 selections. Stay tuned for another Rant.

Edit: Spelling tidy up. I should also mention that the powers that be should consider using Coach Trigger from Manly. He seemed to do a fairly decent job with a ragtag bunch of kids in no time.
 

George Smith

Ted Thorn (20)
Not sure if sarcophilus is having a go, but your posts are models of good judgment and analysis so i am taking your comments seriously and consider that if even 1 of your examples is accurate this a very sad development.
Can you cite sources - as vaguely as you like and do you propose to do anything with the information?
I fielded two calls from parents of two different teams. I then sought verification from 'Buddha system' and against last season's programme to verify. yes, very sad indeed.
 

George Smith

Ted Thorn (20)
Interesting timeshifting going on at SJRU web site.

Pretty sure that earlier today the 41 nominated U17 trialists were required for a game on Friday night at 6:30 pm. I now see that this has moved to Sunday night at 6 30 pm.

This imposes an interesting workload on the selected boys. Most are playing either Colts or junior club games this weekend. Some have School games, and a couple have School representative games.

Those playing SJRU Opens A have games on Sunday 16 June starting as late as 3:40 pm at Porter Reserve. They are then expected to high tail it across town to Dural by 6:30 pm to play a trial match for selection for the Sydney Team.

Any boys in CHS I or II , ISA I or II or CCC will also be having a NSW Schools Trial Match at Pittwater Park on Sunday Afternoon.

I suppose it is necessary for the Selectors to see the boys again on Sunday just to make sure that the 2 boys from Southern Districts that didn't play in the State Champs "get a fair go". It is not their fault that another district couldn't find a slot for them. They can't be very active facebook users because one facebook based squad was apparently short of players and could have done with a couple of extra bench players.

The selectors must not have seen enough of the boys in the U17's over the 4 games the boys played on the weekend (and an extra 70 minute game on Monday for the Manly boys)?

I am fairly sure that any boys in the ISA, CHS, or CCC selections will be at Pittwater park and will be tendering their excuses for yet another trial game.

Is this yet another example of the inefficiency of U16 and U17 footy with its dual pathways. The kids have already performed for CCC/ISA/CHS/CAS selectors, reperformed for SJRU selectors in 4 games over the long weekend, and yet they are still expected to submit themselves for more trials. For what purpose and in who's benefit is this? An administrators ego or the best interests of a child?

Where is the common sense? I reckon there are a fair few parents asking WTF right about now.

I note with some amusement that 10to12 has posted "to the victor goes the spoils" on another thread about the seemingly disproportionate number of Illawarra U17 lads in the Country U17 team, particularly when they only won the Final by 3 points over Central Coast.

Manly win the State Championships and as a reward [@10to12 "victory spoils"] (neglecting the theft of phones and cash from the change sheds) they are rewarded with 10 boys nominated to trial for slots in the City team.

Eastwood who were comfortably beaten by the Central Coast team, who were beaten Manly twice, and also comfortably beaten by Penrith are rewarded for their efforts over the weekend with 11 boys named in the trial for the final squad. Is this a reward for convincingly beating the Illawarra team that was severely understrength with only two on the bench and looked nothing like the NSW Country Championship winning team?

Penrith who beat Eastwood by 10 points are rewarded with four players being deemed suitably talented enough to try out for a slot to represent City.

West Harbour who managed to win only one game agains the last place getter, and win another game on forfeit are rewarded with 7 boys in the final trial squad.

The Rats have 6 nominations for trial despite the wheels falling off their title tilt suring Sundays games.

Seems we do things differently in the City to divide up the spoils of victory.

I am looking forward to the release of the U16 selections. Stay tuned for another Rant.

Good rant Huge. Why cannot the trial be in the holidays or even same weekend as the U15/16s Regionals? Was this date chosen by an administrator whose boy isnt at an independent school? Why does the match be played so quickly given the next game Sydney plays is against Country. These two Southern District boys could just be included in an expanded squad of 25 given they were both in the Sydney team last year if it comes down to that.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
And this superstar cohort that is being assembled by Gordon will peak for the Under 16's and disappear into the wilderness for U17's.

This will not be the first time player movements and similar to what George Smith has described has happened, and while Gordon is commonly accused of such, they are not the only District who do this. They just seem to do it better and less subtlely.

Has anyone told the parents of these 11 year olds that the "pathway" in 2 years time will be vastly different at U15/U16/U17 level to what it is now?

Aust Schoolboys will remain, but my snouts say even the Schools Opens format is no longer a sacred cow.

We live in interesting times.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
1. Is this what we want for U12 boys?
Clearly not, but club, District and Zone (do they still exist) administrators, and Coaches, Managers and Parents in the receiving teams know all about it and do nothing about it because they are winning. It helps all the little Oliver's and Samuel's maintain their self esteem if they win.

2. Is this the way to behave from the largest District (most players and clubs) in the State?
How else are they going to keep the numbers up into the colts programme? Oh that is right they have a Colts numbers crisis. Damn - need to rethink. Time for the Shute Shield Board to ask some questions. The current development model is winning the odd age group state title, but is doing little for a once proud club who are currently the laughing stock of the Colts world with their paltry 1 team.


3. What is being done about the perpetrators?
Generally they get moved on to District, Zone, SJRU, NSW JRU coaching, administration or Executive Committee positions. Once there, the principle of likes attracting kicks in, and by sheer weight of numbers they totally overwhelm the occasional proponents of fair play. The end result is the crook system remains crook.

Side note. Gordon are not the only one indulging in this behaviour.

When are we going to see Garling Report Mark 2 or Son of Arbib Report? For a different thread.
 

sarcophilus

Charlie Fox (21)
Not sure if sarcophilus is having a go, but your posts are models of good judgment and analysis so i am taking your comments seriously and consider that if even 1 of your examples is accurate this a very sad development.
Can you cite sources - as vaguely as you like and do you propose to do anything with the information?
I have no problem believing George Smith on this as you have stated his posts have the appearance of balance and knowledge. I do have a problem with the described conduct and the confidence tricks used on parents and players at the u 11 12 and even 13 levels.
u/17 may not be a great example as the crowds have left for school. Review the State champion u16 over the past couple of seasons how many u/11 champions are still playing in the u/16 teams. Many players jockey for position and then take up netball instead. To be using "your sons rugby future" as a carrot/stick to support your own ends is atrocious behaviour.

I am not sure how close Moral and Fiscal balance sheets follow each other but in this case....
 
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