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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Scotty, Feb 4, 2010.

  1. matty_k Peter Johnson (47)

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    1: Agree
    2: Must include mental health support here.
    3: Agree
    4: Centralised sure but with assessing the teachers what do you mean and how would you do it? There is a very slippery slope where we end up with teachers more concerned about teaching kids to pass tests or similar and not focusing on making sure their students get the education they individually need.
    5: would be great but how?
    6: What if a trade is not where these kids want to go.
    7 & 8: As seen in other countries a social security system that supports and is accessible to all citizens is more effective than those that is only accessible to the poor. It becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. You need this money because you are poor. I get this money because I'm poor. Being poor means I can't achieve. Because I can't achieve why even bother. So give me money because I can't achieve. So here is some money because you are poor.
  2. Scarfman Knitter of the Scarf

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    RW - if you want a hardline country with a feirce policy of individual responsibility, move to America. Have fun with that! The most reasonable and liveable countries on earth have mixed economies and strong social orientations. Just some of them are too cold.

    And in other news - Julia Gillard is the Prime Minister. I think this will make it tough on Abbott. There's a lot of women voters and I'm not sure how impressed they are by his budgie smugglers.
  3. Moses Simon Poidevin (60)

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    I thought Kev did alright - 3 years at the top is a good run for a Labor leader, but then I'm from NSW so anything over 9 months is a bonus.

    I'm glad he's gone though, I've listened to him a lot this term and am yet to hear him answer a question. Straight talking Tony might be abrasive, but he was the perfect foil to Diplospeaking Kev. I can't see Tony being as effective against Julia though.
  4. Moses Simon Poidevin (60)

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    One thing I'm sick of is a party getting elected then deciding what they have a mandate to implement. According to Kev they had a mandate to block the Internet, tax Carbon, and drop work choices. There are 2 major and 2 minor parties, many people voted for Kev cause they were sick of eyebrows.

    But then, the whole system of representative democracy is a joke. Are you voting for a member or for a party? If your member crosses the floor on their own conscience vote, are they still representing you? I don't agree with a member of a party being able to conscience vote at all, if they feel that strongly about an issue then run as an independent. Or at the very least they should disclose it prior to the election - I'm the local Labor member but do not condone detention of Asylum seekers, for example.

    One wacky idea I have is to give every registered voter gets a secure login to the AEC website where they can put in the party who have their vote, then have the option to change their vote on any issue before the house. Most issues would go status quo with the elected party, but if an issue was felt about strongly enough, for example ozlog, I could move my vote to the Greens on this one issue. The balance of power would swing with the will of the people.
  5. matty_k Peter Johnson (47)

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    This is hard to watch.
    He should walk away.
  6. Ruggo Mark Ella (57)

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    Abbott is now in alot of shit.

    As far as assessing teachers. As long as they assess the actual teaching and not the childs results. The difference in kids learning capacities is far to variable to be a credible measure of assesment. The way teachers are trained needs to be re assesed. Clueless greenhorn teachers who have not been taught properly are a huge problem. Teachers more concerned with kissing arse and climbing the chain are also a huge problem.
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  7. Reddy! Bob Davidson (42)

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    What happened?! What are you referring to?
  8. Moses Simon Poidevin (60)

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    That was during Kevin's farewell speech
  9. Reddy! Bob Davidson (42)

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    Ah yes, heard he shed a tear or two. Can't really blame him really.
  10. matty_k Peter Johnson (47)

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    Kev really struggled through that speech. He came to tears a few times. But he persevered and got through it. It was the most human he has ever been. A lot of people have been saying he should have spoken like that from the beginning.

    Good Luck to Julie and her new gang.

    On a side note question time has begun and Kev has turned up sitting in the back benches. He is looking very ashen.

    Abbott has spoken positively about Kev as PM for the time ever.
  11. barbarian Nick Farr-Jones (63)

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    Yeah but Scarfy this is politics here. The Greens only hold 5 seats in the senate, and so can't just announce policies and stick to them blindly. They must negotiate with the major parties for concessions and the like, especially on such a major bill as the ETS. I'm all for principles, but there comes a time where political pragmatism has to take precedence. They should have been bitterly disappointed, whinged to high heaven, but passed the bill, because they should have realised the alternative was NO bill and thus NO action whatsoever on climate change. This needs to be done in small steps, not the one giant leap the Greens want us to do it in. That is just the political reality, one which the Greens seem totally oblivious to.
  12. Scarfman Knitter of the Scarf

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    Let's say you asked for a 25% raise, but your company offered 5%. What would you do?
  13. Lindommer Andrew Slack (58)

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    Grizzle, then take it.
  14. matty_k Peter Johnson (47)

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    Reply with 20%
  15. Scarfman Knitter of the Scarf

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    Geez guys, what country is this? Tell 'em to get stuffed. One out, all out.
  16. Blue Andrew Slack (58)

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    Yeah sad that it needed this to see a human side of the man. Talk about digging your own hole.

    I could NOT believe he was in the house today. Not sure what to make of it but it's somewhere bewtwen unbelievable, baffling with a bit of pathetic in there somewhere.
  17. Ruggo Mark Ella (57)

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    I admire that he is going to recontest his seat and put is hand up to be part of the govt if re elected. Most would of spat the dummy and quit or just waste valuble oxygen on the back benches.

    Rudd is a smart man with loads to offer. With any luck he has learnt some good lessons from his as a person.

    Abbott is about to get exposed as the idiot he is. That's my tip.
  18. cyclopath Phil Waugh (73)

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    So we'll have Turnbull and Rudd gazing across the house at each other from the back-benches.who'd have thunk it last year?
  19. matty_k Peter Johnson (47)

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    Question time was a little predictable but it had some amusing moments.

    Rudd received a huge amount of praise from the Opposition over what had occurred to him.

    Joe Hockey asked how Julia could be trusted on anything she says after stabbing the PM in the back.
    Julia replied by basically saying that you should know you did it to your former leader.

    Julie Bishop wanted to know that even though there is a new leader will the Labor party be presenting the same policies under the same old ministers and referred to Kev and mentioned something about political assassination (Can't remember exactly but they were the terms used).
    Julia replied with you should know Julie being the same deputy leader under three different opposition leaders.


    I was really impressed with how Julia handled the questions. She basically copped them all. Which was to be expected. There was one directed at Swan before I left.
  20. DPK Peter Sullivan (51)

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    It's pretty clear IMO why Abbot's saying Rudd got the raw deal: his thinking is probably "Shoot, I could've done Rudd."

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