does that still count when the 'opponent' has their shoulders and head illegally lower than their hips? Should have been a free kick to QLD. Sickening bias.
Round 5 - Brumbies v Reds GIO 18/3
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does that still count when the 'opponent' has their shoulders and head illegally lower than their hips? Should have been a free kick to QLD. Sickening bias.
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
The appeal will be interesting.
In any Super Oz game you will find up to a hundred instances of shoulders below hips in rucks and that's before players collapse to the ground illegally. Likewise in any Super Oz game there will be 10-20 instances of charging into a ruck and not binding and yet to my memory this is the first citing for that offence and penalties blown for it are so rare as to be collectibles.
Consistency does not seem to be a judiciary characteristic.
If we are to change the way rucks are formed it should be done by way of announcement at the end of the season so that teams can adjust pre-season and then referees and the judiciary can go nuts from the start of the season until the changes are implemented. Picking on one player half way through is a very poor way of addressing the issue.
In any Super Oz game you will find up to a hundred instances of shoulders below hips in rucks and that's before players collapse to the ground illegally. Likewise in any Super Oz game there will be 10-20 instances of charging into a ruck and not binding and yet to my memory this is the first citing for that offence and penalties blown for it are so rare as to be collectibles.
Consistency does not seem to be a judiciary characteristic.
If we are to change the way rucks are formed it should be done by way of announcement at the end of the season so that teams can adjust pre-season and then referees and the judiciary can go nuts from the start of the season until the changes are implemented. Picking on one player half way through is a very poor way of addressing the issue.
The Nomad
Bob Davidson (42)
If you follow Laurie Fischer on Instagram you will see the latch onto the ball/ ball carrier with hips up and head down sealing is very much a coached technique. They even run drills with elastics around the hips of the player so the upper body can get down to ball level during the "latch". If the player going for the pilfer is supporting their own body weight that's fine , but they very often aren't and as a result have no right to be there. Should be treated like any player off their feet.
actually the charge directly from SANZAAR is:
Player: Taniela Tupou
Team: Reds
Position: Prop
Date of Incident: 18 March 2022
Nature of Offence: Law 9.20 Dangerous play in a ruck or maul. b. A player must not make contact with an opponent above the line of the shoulders.
Elapsed time in match when incident occurred: 18:40
It's nothing to do with charging.
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
Looking forward to the 40-50 citings next week.
Adam84
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
What’s the least number of players a game can finish with?
Adam84
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
charging is in reference to 9.20 a, what you’ve listed is b. Which as you’re correctly pointed out is about contact about the line of the shoulders.
What I’ve listed is what SANZAAR has sent out as what he’s been cited for. It’s a direct quote.
Adam84
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
I'm not disputing it Reg, what i posted was amplifying the comment and the difference between 9.20a and 9.20b
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Chilla Wilson (44)
im pretty sure you can judge it on still shots. and as the 90's kids would say its phat.
unless youre talking about the cleanout .....
Ignoto
Greg Davis (50)
Clear as - Brown's shoulders are lower than his hips and three contact points are not supporting his own weight; right leg and both hands.
He's not even close to getting the ball - cynical play to slow the Reds ball down!
These days he'd be described as thicc.
Merrow
Arch Winning (36)
Is it me or is there an elbow to the head in the follow through?
Purce
Jim Clark (26)
In all serious it looks like a textbook shoulder on shoulder clear out to me. He gets his body height low, makes contact flat / upwards trajectory, doesn't come down on the player and is accurate with his connection. Bizarre to me the he has been cited.
The only possible thing I can think of is after the contact his arm seems to go from under Brown at the contact to a more upright position as he tries to push him through the contact. I don't think this is contact, reckon it is the angle because he blows him soo hard off the ball there is no resistance against his arm and it comes up easily.
The only possible thing I can think of is after the contact his arm seems to go from under Brown at the contact to a more upright position as he tries to push him through the contact. I don't think this is contact, reckon it is the angle because he blows him soo hard off the ball there is no resistance against his arm and it comes up easily.
Adam84
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
If it was a penalty, even yellow card during a card I could accept that.
but the fact they’re saying this is a red card offence worthy of been cited post match is quite frankly a joke, it’s a dangerous preceden to set for the game of rugby if this is considered a red card offence.
the game is going to turn into an even more repetitive bore of TMO replays as every second ruck is examined frame by frame looking for the same contact.
but the fact they’re saying this is a red card offence worthy of been cited post match is quite frankly a joke, it’s a dangerous preceden to set for the game of rugby if this is considered a red card offence.
the game is going to turn into an even more repetitive bore of TMO replays as every second ruck is examined frame by frame looking for the same contact.
Adam84
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
Sanity prevails..
Well done by the Reds to fight this decision
Well done by the Reds to fight this decision
Adam84
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
The Nomad
Bob Davidson (42)
Can the SANZAR citing officer be cited? What a joke !
Adam84
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
9.28 A player must not disrespect the authority of a Match Official.
Citing officer is disrespecting the authority of the match officials by disagreeing with their assessment in game and should be cited.
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