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PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
ex Paarl Gym boy on his way to u9 rugby practise at Melbourne for Unicorns (showing his bloedwors colours in Aus)
http://sphotos-c.AK (Andrew Kellaway).fbcdn.net/hphotos-AK (Andrew Kellaway)-frc3/970251_10151477201579472_688747901_n.jpg
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
FNB Top 20 - 21 May 2013

1. Paarl Gim
2. Affies
3. Outeniqua
4. Grey College of Bloemfontein
5. Dr EG Jansen
6. Paarl Boys' High
7. Waterkloof
8. Garsfontein
9. Nelspruit
10. St Andrew's College of Grahamstown
11. Monument
12. Die Brandwag
13. HTS Middelburg
14. Westville
15. Pretoria Boys High
16. Noord-Kaap
17. Glenwood
18. Marlow
19. Paul Roos
20. Grey High of Port Elizabeth
 

Sidbarret

Fred Wood (13)
I see the WP Craven Week sides have been selected



15 Khanyo Ngcukana (Rondebosch)
14 Grant Hermanus (Paarl Gym)
13 Ryan Oosthuizen (Paarl Gym)
12 Daniel du Plessis (Paul Roos)
11 Dewald Naudé (Paarl Boys)
10 Dennis Cox (Excelsior)
9 Herchelle Jantjies (Paul Roos)
8 Rikus Bothma (Paarl Gym – capt)
7 Jacques Vermeulen (Paarl Gym)
6 Charlton Jonas (Paarl Boys)
5 JD Schickerling (Paarl Gym)
4 Burger van Niekerk (Paarl Boys)
3 François van der Merwe (Paarl Boys)
2 Daniel du Plessis (Paarl Boys)
1 Thomas du Toit (Paarl Boys)

Reserves
Ruan Brits (Paarl Boys)
Gavin van den Berg (Paarl Gym)
Brett Paulse (Rondebosch )
Saud Abrahams (Bishops)
Damian Stevens (Paarl Gym)
Siya Alam (Wynberg)
Heinrich Bühr (Boland Landbou)

U18 Academy Team
15 Danté van der Merwe (Paarl Boys – capt)
14 Daylen Daniels (Paarl Boys)
13 Wayno Visagie (Paarl Gym)
12 Jarryd Sage (Wynberg)
11 Ferlin Vers (Paarl Boys)
10 Adriaan Carelse (Hottentots Holland)
9 Brendon Nell (Paarl Gym)
8 Charl-François du Toit (Paarl Boys)
7 Vernon Pietersen (Paul Roos)
6 Ryan Davids (Excelsior)
5 Matthew le Roux (Paarl Boys)
4 Johan Momsen (Paarl Gym)
3 Matthys Basson (Boland Landbou)
2 Jacques van Zyl (Paul Roos)
1 Kyle Whyte (Rondebosch)

Reserves
Cuan Hablutzel (Bishops)
Joel MacQuene (SACS)
Chris van Romburgh (Brackenfell)
Mitch Lingeveldt (Paul Roos)
Stef de Gouveia (Rondebosch)
Aidynn Cupido (Paul Roos)
Edwil van der Merwe (Paul Roos)

(copied from planet-rugby)

So 31 of the 44 player selected come from four schools (Paarl Boys High, Paarl Gymnasium, Boland Landbou and Paul Roos). What is the point of Craven Week if the selectors are only going to select players from three schools and ignore almost the whole of Cape Town (unless you go to one of the four big southern suburb schools.

Personally I would prefer if the Stellenbosch and Paarl schools are kicked out of the Western Province union and instead join the Boland union (where they are actually situated) and let the players from Cape Town represent Western Province (or call it Cape Town). At the moment a kid coming from cape town has almost zero chance of playing Craven Week meaning that they have almost zero chance of making a career out of rugby.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
I see the WP Craven Week sides have been selected





(copied from planet-rugby)

So 31 of the 44 player selected come from four schools (Paarl Boys High, Paarl Gymnasium, Boland Landbou and Paul Roos). What is the point of Craven Week if the selectors are only going to select players from three schools and ignore almost the whole of Cape Town (unless you go to one of the four big southern suburb schools.

Personally I would prefer if the Stellenbosch and Paarl schools are kicked out of the Western Province union and instead join the Boland union (where they are actually situated) and let the players from Cape Town represent Western Province (or call it Cape Town). At the moment a kid coming from cape town has almost zero chance of playing Craven Week meaning that they have almost zero chance of making a career out of rugby.
Thing is the Paarl schools and Paul Roos is so much stronger in rugby. You will never see paarl Gym lose to a soutie schools, will lose against maybe the other Boland three but not against Slaapstad lot. This year however I feel Paarl Gym has been done in heavily. Unbeaten season so far and just as many as Boishaai and only a few more then Paul Doos. I wont be surprise at all to see our five player go on and play SA Schools, JD played there already in 2012, Vermeuloen, Bothma (capt) and Hermanus played CW in 2012 and Ryan Oosthuizen played for the golden medal SA u18 sevens team in Australia.

The latest SA Top 20
FNB Top 20 - 28 May 2013

1. Paarl Gim
2. Affies
3. Outeniqua
4. Grey College of Bloemfontein
5. Dr EG Jansen
6. Paarl Boys' High
7. Waterkloof
8. Garsfontein
9. Nelspruit
10. HTS Middelburg
11. Monument
12. Westville
13. St Andrew's College of Grahamstown
14. Die Brandwag
15. Glenwood
16. Marlow
17. Grey High of Port Elizabeth
18. Pretoria Boys High
19. Noord-Kaap
20. Paul Roos

No Slaapstad Soutie school?

I am more worried about the qouta system in place, 9 out of 22 have to be PoC (thats what they call it nowadays) and at least 1 MoC, which is degrading Craven Week rugby to a joke. Window dressing the order of the day if you ask me, Brutes poaching PoC from Border and put them on the bench. Fuck (sorry for the swear word) when will they realise they do so much damage to our youth by doing this reverse apartheid shite and when will this end?

Congrats also to another Doep broer Michael laaitie (Danie) making WP Craven Week!
 

Sidbarret

Fred Wood (13)
I don't deny that the big three are rugby super-powers, but what I am worried about is that the selectors are only looking at about three teams for players.

Let me put it this way. Paarl Gym has about 700 hundred boys, Paarl Boys a 1000 and Paul Roos around 1200 (thumbsuck numbers, but not far off) giving us total of lets say 3000. I know they draw talent from a much larger group, but to believe that 3000 boys represent more than half of the highschool rugby talent in the western cape seems more than little far-fetched.

Craven Week shouldn't be about selecting the Boishaai frontrow en masse because the combination gives WP the best chance of winning the final game, it should be about finding the best five frontrankers because those are the boys who deserve to state their case for higher honours.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
I don't deny that the big three are rugby super-powers, but what I am worried about is that the selectors are only looking at about three teams for players.

Let me put it this way. Paarl Gym has about 700 hundred boys, Paarl Boys a 1000 and Paul Roos around 1200 (thumbsuck numbers, but not far off) giving us total of lets say 3000. I know they draw talent from a much larger group, but to believe that 3000 boys represent more than half of the highschool rugby talent in the western cape seems more than little far-fetched.

Craven Week shouldn't be about selecting the Boishaai frontrow en masse because the combination gives WP the best chance of winning the final game, it should be about finding the best five frontrankers because those are the boys who deserve to state their case for higher honours.
I'll help you, Paarl Gym have 500 boys.

Its not about numbers at the schools, more about rugby teams at schools. Those three schools have minimum 15 teams. If I can take Paarl Gym as an example and its the tendense yearly. Paarl Gym have played Tygerberg, Outenikwa, Paul Roos, Bishops and Rondebosch this year already. matches & wins against this schools:
http://paarlgim.co.za/index.php/sport/173-rugby-uitslae

Tygerberg 13/13, Kwaggas 14/10, Paul Roos 17/5, Bishops 17/12, Rondebosch 15/14.

near 100% wins from u14-u18 age groups against the soutie schools, Boishaai and Paul Roos beat us every year with more teams winning, altho our first team will win mostly in the last 10 years against this two. Dunno if its afrikaans laaities or the Paarl air or the coaching. Thing is this three is way in front of the rest in WeePee.
 

Sidbarret

Fred Wood (13)
Lets start with what I am not say.

I am not saying that the big three are not very, very good at rugby (though Paul Roos' results this year might suggest otherwise).

Neither am I saying that the boys selected for craven week are not all exceptionally talented players. (especially the three Gym forwards)

Furthermore I don't mean that more players should be included from the four big "soutie" schools (bishops, Rondebosch, SACS and Wynberg), quite the contrary really.

Let me illustrate my point. You mention that each of the big three field a minimum of 15 teams, so lets round it up to 20 each (60 teams total). Within 10km of where I am sitting right now there are De Kuilen, Brackenfell, Belville, Bellville HTS, DF Malan, Tygerberg, Durbanville, Stellenberg, Monument Park, President and JG Meiring who each field minimum of 10 teams each (110 teams). And that is only counting the afrikaner schools who enjoy very similar air to the boys in Paarl. Please note that these schools listed produced only one player for either of the WP squads, compared to 29 from the big three.

At this point I must concede that talent is much more concentrated in the big three because boys who are serious about the game drawn there. Take Pollard and Kitshoff they are both from Somerset West/Strand but move to Paarl Gym and Paul Roos for rugby.

My concern is, what if they didn't/couldn't move? Would they have been picked up?

I am worried that we are missing out on the next De Allende (Milnerton), Eben Etzebeth (Tygerberg) or Gio Aplon (Hawston) because the scouts only attend a fraction of the school games that are played every week. It is easy to see why they do it though, the talent factory is still in full swing, but I am worried that the net isn't being cast wide enough and we are losing talented players because too much focus is placed on games between Paarl Gym, Boishaai, Paul Roos, Landbou, SACS, Rondebosch, Bishops and Wynberg.
 

Sidbarret

Fred Wood (13)
I had a look at your post #47 on this thread where you gave the final 78 players that were trialed for Craven Week in 2012.

Of those 15 came from the four big Soutie schools
8 - Boland Landbou
17 - Paarl Boys
13 - Paarl Gym
16 - Paul Roos

and 9 from whole of the rest of the province.

It seems pretty clear to me that the selectors are ignoring the vast majority of players in the province and focusing on only a couple of schools.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Schools Top 20 - June 4

1. Paarl Gim
2. Affies
3. Outeniqua
4. Grey College of Bloemfontein
5. Dr EG Jansen
6. Paarl Boys' High
7. Waterkloof
8. Garsfontein
9. Nelspruit
10. HTS Middelburg
11. Monument
12. Westville
13. Die Brandwag
14. Marlow
15. Glenwood
16. Grey High of Port Elizabeth
17. St Andrew's College of Grahamstown
18. Kearsney
19. Paul Roos
20. Centurion
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
I had a look at your post #47 on this thread where you gave the final 78 players that were trialed for Craven Week in 2012.

Of those 15 came from the four big Soutie schools
8 - Boland Landbou
17 - Paarl Boys
13 - Paarl Gym
16 - Paul Roos

and 9 from whole of the rest of the province.

It seems pretty clear to me that the selectors are ignoring the vast majority of players in the province and focusing on only a couple of schools.
Paarl Gym have played Bishops, Rondebosch and Wynberg in their last three outings: 48 matches in all age groups, won 44 drew 1 lost 3. 1503-371 = 31-8 per match. Thats the differense between them and the Slaapstad lot.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
09 2010 2011 2012 2013 Games Wins Losses %Wins
Win Lose Win Lose Win Lose Win Lose Win Lose
BL 2 2 4 0 3 1 1 0 2 1 16 12 4 75.00%
Gim 2 2 5 0 2 2 2 0 3 0 18 14 4 77.78%
PRG 1 1 3 1 3 0 1 0 2 0 12 10 2 83.33%
HJS 4 0 4 1 4 0 2 0 3 0 18 17 1 94.44%
9 5 16 2 12 3 6 0 10 1 64 53 11 82.81%

2009-2013 results between the Wynland 4 and the Slaapstad schools.
 

Hell West & Crooked

Alex Ross (28)
This thread makes edifying reading... For all the problems in Oz Rugby, it only took a short-trawl through here to make me Thank God I live in Australia....

What a place.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Got hold of an unofficial schoolboy log for WP schools.
http://www.mycomlink.co.za/
(The Western Province Schools Rugby Super League logs are unofficial; sides are not obliged to play every other side in their league during a season. However, Bishops, Rondebosch, SACS and Wynberg traditionally play each other both home and away each year. Logs will updated weekly once all teams results are in.

3 Point for a win, 1 point for a draw and points differential gives precedence in ranking orders.)

AGE Team Rank School P W D L GF GA GD Pts
U14
14 A 1 Paul Roos Gimnasium 5 5 0 0 133 10 123 15
14 A 2 Paarl Boys' High 4 4 0 0 172 0 172 12
14 A 3 Paarl Gimnasium High 4 3 0 1 59 51 8 9
14 A 4 SACS High 6 2 1 3 75 108 -33 7
14 A 5 Rondebosch Boys' High 5 2 0 3 79 90 -11 6
14 A 6 Wynberg Boys' High 6 2 0 4 48 99 -51 6
14 A 7 Bishops College 7 1 1 5 89 193 -104 4
14 A 8 Boland Landbouskool 5 1 0 4 24 128 -104 3

14 B 1 Paul Roos Gimnasium 5 5 0 0 202 5 197 15
14 B 2 Paarl Boys' High 4 4 0 0 199 5 194 12
14 B 3 Paarl Gimnasium High 4 3 0 1 90 34 56 9
14 B 4 Wynberg Boys' High 6 3 0 3 79 67 12 9
14 B 5 Boland Landbouskool 5 2 0 3 56 66 -10 6
14 B 6 SACS High 6 2 0 4 63 142 -79 6
14 B 7 Rondebosch Boys' High 5 1 0 4 38 128 -90 3
14 B 8 Bishops College 7 1 0 6 27 307 -280 3

14 C 1 Paarl Boys' High 5 5 0 0 339 0 339 15
14 C 2 Paul Roos Gimnasium 5 5 0 0 264 6 258 15
14 C 3 SACS High 7 4 0 3 115 179 -64 12
14 C 4 Wynberg Boys' High 6 3 0 3 113 162 -49 9
14 C 5 Rondebosch Boys' High 6 2 0 4 98 163 -65 6
14 C 6 Bishops College 7 2 0 5 77 212 -135 6
14 C 7 Boland Landbouskool 5 1 0 4 25 155 -130 3
14 C 8 Paarl Gimnasium High 5 1 0 4 29 183 -154 3

14 D 1 Paul Roos Gimnasium 4 4 0 0 290 0 290 12
14 D 2 Paarl Boys' High 4 4 0 0 207 5 202 12
14 D 3 Wynberg Boys' High 5 3 0 2 101 98 3 9
14 D 4 SACS High 6 3 0 3 85 177 -92 9
14 D 5 Boland Landbouskool 4 2 0 2 37 127 -90 6
14 D 6 Rondebosch Boys' High 5 1 0 4 47 179 -132 3
14 D 7 Bishops College 6 0 0 6 34 215 -181 0

U15
15 A 1 Paarl Boys' High 4 4 0 0 138 27 111 12
15 A 2 Paarl Gimnasium High 4 4 0 0 80 18 62 12
15 A 3 Paul Roos Gimnasium 5 3 1 1 94 54 40 10
15 A 4 Boland Landbouskool 5 3 1 1 56 61 -5 10
15 A 5 Wynberg Boys' High 6 3 0 3 124 72 52 9
15 A 6 Bishops College 7 2 0 5 134 146 -12 6
15 A 7 Rondebosch Boys' High 5 1 0 4 30 192 -162 3
15 A 8 SACS High 6 0 0 6 37 123 -86 0

15 B 1 Paarl Boys' High 4 4 0 0 197 6 191 12
15 B 2 Paul Roos Gimnasium 5 4 0 1 115 38 77 12
15 B 3 Paarl Gimnasium High 4 4 0 0 99 31 68 12
15 B 4 Wynberg Boys' High 6 4 0 2 82 74 8 12
15 B 5 Bishops College 7 3 0 4 59 148 -89 9
15 B 6 SACS High 6 1 1 4 60 130 -70 4
15 B 7 Boland Landbouskool 5 0 1 4 37 93 -56 1
15 B 8 Rondebosch Boys' High 5 0 0 5 19 148 -129 0

U16
16 A 1 Paul Roos Gimnasium 5 5 0 0 147 40 107 15
16 A 2 Bishops College 7 3 1 3 156 119 37 10
16 A 3 Paarl Boys' High 4 3 0 1 124 33 91 9
16 A 4 Boland Landbouskool 5 3 0 2 96 26 70 9
16 A 5 Rondebosch Boys' High 5 3 0 2 128 86 42 9
16 A 6 Paarl Gimnasium High 4 2 1 1 79 54 25 7
16 A 7 SACS High 6 1 0 5 43 219 -176 3
16 A 8 Wynberg Boys' High 6 0 0 6 12 208 -196 0

16 B 1 Paul Roos Gimnasium 5 5 0 0 184 13 171 15
16 B 2 Paarl Boys' High 4 4 0 0 178 7 171 12
16 B 3 SACS High 6 3 0 3 63 137 -74 9
16 B 4 Paarl Gimnasium High 4 2 0 2 78 54 24 6
16 B 5 Boland Landbouskool 5 2 0 3 64 92 -28 6
16 B 6 Bishops College 7 2 0 5 71 166 -95 6
16 B 7 Wynberg Boys' High 6 2 0 4 38 159 -121 6
16 B 8 Rondebosch Boys' High 5 1 0 4 48 96 -48 3

16 C 1 Paul Roos Gimnasium 5 5 0 0 284 8 276 15
16 C 2 Paarl Boys' High 4 4 0 0 175 10 165 12
16 C 3 Bishops College 7 4 0 3 88 146 -58 12
16 C 4 Boland Landbouskool 5 3 0 2 67 48 19 9
16 C 5 Paarl Gimnasium High 4 2 0 2 94 74 20 6
16 C 6 SACS High 6 2 0 4 38 169 -131 6
16 C 7 Rondebosch Boys' High 5 1 0 4 39 193 -154 3
16 C 8 Wynberg Boys' High 6 0 0 6 27 164 -137 0

U19
19 A 1 Paarl Gimnasium High 4 4 0 0 125 35 90 12
19 A 2 Paarl Boys' High 4 4 0 0 130 53 77 12
19 A 3 Boland Landbouskool 5 3 0 2 91 95 -4 9
19 A 4 Paul Roos Gimnasium 5 2 1 2 97 70 27 7
19 A 5 Rondebosch Boys' High 5 2 1 2 92 80 12 7
19 A 6 Wynberg Boys' High 6 2 1 3 124 177 -53 7
19 A 7 SACS High 6 2 0 4 78 144 -66 6
19 A 8 Bishops College 7 0 1 6 83 166 -83 1

19 B 1 Paarl Gimnasium High 4 4 0 0 160 20 140 12
19 B 2 Paarl Boys' High 4 4 0 0 117 41 76 12
19 B 3 Paul Roos Gimnasium 5 3 1 1 103 75 28 10
19 B 4 Boland Landbouskool 5 3 0 2 76 70 6 9
19 B 5 Bishops College 7 2 0 5 123 120 3 6
19 B 6 Rondebosch Boys' High 5 2 0 3 24 88 -64 6
19 B 7 Wynberg Boys' High 6 2 0 4 69 138 -69 6
19 B 8 SACS High 6 0 1 5 43 163 -120 1

19 C 1 Paul Roos Gimnasium 5 5 0 0 100 11 89 15
19 C 2 Paarl Boys' High 4 4 0 0 156 24 132 12
19 C 3 Bishops College 7 4 0 3 149 104 45 12
19 C 4 Paarl Gimnasium High 4 3 0 1 122 30 92 9
19 C 5 Rondebosch Boys' High 5 2 0 3 47 91 -44 6
19 C 6 SACS High 6 2 0 4 56 176 -120 6
19 C 7 Boland Landbouskool 5 1 0 4 62 90 -28 3
19 C 8 Wynberg Boys' High 6 0 0 6 48 214 -166 0

19 D 1 Paul Roos Gimnasium 5 5 0 0 164 32 132 15
19 D 2 Paarl Boys' High 4 4 0 0 222 23 199 12
19 D 3 Bishops College 7 4 0 3 170 90 80 12
19 D 4 Paarl Gimnasium High 4 3 0 1 126 33 93 9
19 D 5 Boland Landbouskool 5 2 0 3 61 148 -87 6
19 D 6 Wynberg Boys' High 6 2 0 4 57 180 -123 6
19 D 7 Rondebosch Boys' High 5 1 0 4 20 173 -153 3
19 D 8 SACS High 6 0 0 6 35 176 -141 0

19 E 1 Bishops College 7 6 0 1 231 65 166 18
19 E 2 Paarl Boys' High 4 4 0 0 189 31 158 12
19 E 3 Paarl Gimnasium High 4 3 0 1 127 57 70 9
19 E 4 Paul Roos Gimnasium 5 3 0 2 120 56 64 9
19 E 5 Wynberg Boys' High 6 3 0 3 74 205 -131 9
19 E 6 Rondebosch Boys' High 5 1 0 4 48 128 -80 3
19 E 7 SACS High 6 1 0 5 34 186 -152 3
19 E 8 Boland Landbouskool 5 0 0 5 58 153 -95 0

19 F 1 Bishops College 7 5 0 2 131 116 15 15
19 F 2 Paarl Boys' High 4 4 0 0 238 0 238 12
19 F 3 Paul Roos Gimnasium 3 3 0 0 77 19 58 9
19 F 4 Rondebosch Boys' High 4 2 0 2 73 64 9 6
19 F 5 Boland Landbouskool 4 2 0 2 61 64 -3 6
19 F 6 Paarl Gimnasium High 3 1 0 2 52 56 -4 3
19 F 7 SACS High 6 1 0 5 58 204 -146 3
19 F 8 Wynberg Boys' High 5 0 0 5 16 183 -167 0
 

Rassie

Trevor Allan (34)
Paarl what do you think of Duhan van der Merwe. He is 1,94 and weighs 98 kgs. He is definitely taller, heavier and faster in speed than Engelbrecht,

He is 18 years old and playing on the wing!
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Paarl what do you think of Duhan van der Merwe. He is 1,94 and weighs 98 kgs. He is definitely taller, heavier and faster in speed than Engelbrecht,

He is 18 years old and playing on the wing!
Great prospect. Biggest thing for him is to stay humble, look like a bit of a windgat to me.

Interschools week, linewalking paradise !
 
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