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Vay Wilson (31)
That's great Troy, you obviously know the history of this well.

Quite a few familiar names in that list,

Be interesting to see who is still playing and what level.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Some years are "good" for conversion of PSSA reps to Schoolboys, Super Rugby and Wallabies. Some not so. Any Statisticians out there?

I suspect over time that the correlation of selection into PSSA as a 12 year old, and eventual selection into Wallaby Squad is statistically irrelevant.

Parents need to just carpe diem, for what it is. One blokes opinion on a particular day. That changes, and not every bloke thinks the same way.

Great post on a new thread of the various PSSA selections over the years. Lots of familiar names, and plenty of unfamiliar ones.
 

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Vay Wilson (31)
The thing is what you are as a 12 year old is completely different to what you are as an 18 year old. Have a look at the 2010 and 2011 NSWPSSA rugby teams and tell me how many of those players have risen to be competitive as a 17 or 18 year old in GPS 2016 !! Not too many out of a total of 46 players (2010 + 2011 NSWPSSA teams).
A most interesting walk down memory lane Troy, but I think you may have undermined your premise, as many of these boys appear to have continued to play at a high level.

It really should not surprise that genetically and otherwise gifted 12YOs, many no doubt born in the 'Outlier' Jan - March period, when selected at nsw level and given the best/most intensive coaching and enjoying the positive feedback that goes with such selection, should continue with that advanced early trajectory. Sure, some will stop growing early and others will find other interests, but most will continue to get selected into yr7 and beyond A teams, get the best coaching, rep opportunities etc until it is almost a self fulfilling prophesy that they will be amongst the best players at opens level. What happens post school would be an interesting study, but no surprise they are a large presence in 1st XV teams.
 

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Vay Wilson (31)
I suspect over time that the correlation of selection into PSSA as a 12 year old, and eventual selection into Wallaby Squad is statistically irrelevant.

Irrelevant, Of course its is. There would be very few make it all the way to Wallaby, but there would be a few.


Whats relevant in this discussion in this thread, is how many of the PSSA side that go onto to play "A" grade and then first XV to play for a school in opens. Every additional enrollment you get of an "A" player that you wouldn't normally get strengthens the whole age group.

So if a school targeted these boys for enrollment, there is a fair chance they will convert to play 1st XV. And if say you get 3 or 4 then that will multiply the effect across the whole age group.


But targeting shouldn't involve scholarships or financial inducement (for AAGPS schools) as we know:

No inducements such as sporting scholarships, whether direct, disguised, or at arm’s length, shall be offered by any member school. Financial assistance to talented sportsmen shall not form part of the enrolment strategy of any member school.


The Headmasters of the GPS Schools of New South Wales, November, 2013.


The code of practice was signed 2013,


What years were those PSSA teams listed again?
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
That's great Troy, you obviously know the history of this well.

Quite a few familiar names in that list,

Be interesting to see who is still playing and what level.

We certainly know that at least one boy in the team listed above moved schools at the start of Year 11 in 2016. (Not to one of the more regularly criticised schools either)
 

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Bob Loudon (25)
We certainly know that at least one boy in the team listed above moved schools at the start of Year 11 in 2016. (Not to one of the more regularly criticised schools either)
Noticed that. Very weird - possibly other issues involved.
PS nice to have some new blood in the hotel - the older ones were starting to get a bit stale.
 

Prodigy

Alex Ross (28)
http://www.aru.com.au/tryrugby/News...D/4711/NSW-PSSA-U12-Team-win-the-Shields.aspx

he NSW PSSA Rugby Squad has successfully defended their title at the School Sport Australia Interstate Rugby Union exchange at concord Oval in Sydney. In its 10th year they won the Phil Waugh & Trevor Allan Shields with sensational performances on Tuesday 4th and Wednesday 5th October.

The future of Waratah & Wallaby rugby is very promising if these players continue to progress through junior rugby pathways. Their coaches and parents, as well as the spectators, who watched them in action, have little doubt a number of the squad have the potential to go all the way.

After two training warm up matches against Kings U13s and Hunters hill U13s, followed by a great session at Concord Oval, on the Monday before the tournament, the squad was in devastating form to outclass the brave ACT, SA and Victoria’s 12 Years Squads.

The first match of the tournament saw NSW flex their muscle against ACT, running out 39-0 winners. With teammates adjusting to the tempo and surroundings a few pushed passes and lack of ball security were areas to improve on for the later matches. As combinations started to click, the team then started to hit their straps in game 2 against SA. They ran in some fantastic tries winning 59-0.

This set up a great contest between the NSW and Victoria on day two as both teams were undefeated. ACT played SA to see who finished 3rd and 4th and a great fight back saw SA win 15-14.

The NSW - Victoria match was of an excellent standard. NSW started very well and pressure in the Victorian 22 saw three ties in short succession. The forwards constantly got over the gain line allowing the backs time and space to use the ball. The free flowing game continued and saw Victoria score just before half time to take the score to 19-7.

Even though the Victorians enjoyed the majority of possession in the first 10 minutes of the second stanza the NSW defence really showed up. Once NSW weathered the storm they again ran the ball between forwards and backs alike producing some scintillating play. Four more tries flowed and the score finished 36-7.

The individuals to receive awards from NSW were;

Player of the Tournament (judged by the Tournament Director and his committee)
Alan Davies, Utility Forward (St Finbars, Glenbrook)

NSW Most Valuable Player (points awarded for each match by each coach)
Nicholas Frost, Number 8/Second Row, (Berowra Public)

NSW Most Improved (as decided by NSW Coach/Manager)
Liam Cornish, Utility Forward, (Waverley College)

NSW Players' Player (points from each squad member after each match)
Tre Finau, Fullback, (St Patricks Griffith)

Coaches' Award (as decided by NSW Coach/Manager)
Dominic Easy, Openside breakaway, (Holy Spirit North Ryde) and Triston Reilly, 5/8, (South West Rocks).

The NSW PSSA Rugby Squad was; Alexander Apthorpe Holy Trinity, Inverell – Polding, Rory Lynch St Aloysius, Cronulla – Mackillop, Oregon Kaufusi Barnier Public School - Sydney West, Mac Williams Mosman Public School - Sydney North, Nicholas Frost Berowra Public School - Sydney North, Alan Davies St Finbars, Glenbrook – Mackillop, Bailey Lamb Gwynneville Public School - South Coast, Liam Cornish Waverley – CIS, Ben Hansen Knox Grammar – CIS, Triston Reilly South West Rocks - North Coast, Samuel Villata Beelbangera Public School – Riverina, Zac Lomax St Anne's Temora – Mackillop, Jesse Stevens Assumption Bathurst – Polding, Harry Haywood Balgowlah Heights - Sydney North, Tre Finau St Patricks Griffith – Mackillop, Max Cutrone Knox Grammar – CIS, Hugo Traine South Coogee - Sydney East, Sam Abbey Holy Family Parkes – Polding, Dominic Easy Holy Spirit Ryde – Mackillop, Jaiden Burke St Patricks Trundle – Polding, Jaemon Salmon OLF Carringbah – Mackillop, Will Harrison OLR Kensington - Mackillop
Yep, I was the tournament director for this event and the national carnival last year.


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Lindommer

Steve Williams (59)
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Thrilled to see so many boys from country primary schools. Wonder what rugby they get apart from carnivals like these? Taking part in a shield competition's all well and good but regular club games week in/week's out the ideal preparation. Spose that depends on others in their district also playing the game.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Noticed that. Very weird - possibly other issues involved.
PS nice to have some new blood in the hotel - the older ones were starting to get a bit stale.

Said school had two other new arrivals, including one who had previously represented Qld country and one from another GPS school.;)
 

loiterer

Sydney Middleton (9)
Noticed that. Very weird - possibly other issues involved.
PS nice to have some new blood in the hotel - the older ones were starting to get a bit stale.
If you are referring to the one I think you are, his dad is an old boy and a committed member of the school community. The school is selective so not everyone who wants to gets in, maybe an extra place came up.
 

ShootingHoops

Frank Row (1)
There has been a plethora of highly skilled students join the ranks at Stanmore in the pool and on the court. Many unhappy parents at Newington.
 

Dave Beat

Paul McLean (56)
Maybe the best thread - but wish it could be highlighted more.

Please ignore the results of the recent games -

  • the Australian Cricket Team has historically had a very large component of the team where the players have grown up through the public high school system. (?% went to private v ?% went to public)

  • the Australian Rugby team has quite the opposite, players have been cherry picked into private schools and rolled out as rock stars at the back end. (?% went to private v ?% went to public)
  • I'll also reference the rugby league (unfortunately) as well, I'd be interested to see the stats at State of Origin level in regards to where kids went (?% went to private v ?% went to public)

So how much untapped talent is Australian Rugby missing out on by not working hard on the Public School System. 65% of school kids go to public schools.
 

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
So how much untapped talent is Australian Rugby missing out on by not working hard on the Public School System. 65% of school kids go to public schools.
Spot on. Plus there is a rich history of successful rugby players coming out of the public school system.
There are many reasons why that's not happening to the same extent today, but the national player base (i.e. the grassroots) could be expanded significantly with improved support from the ARU.
 

Dave Beat

Paul McLean (56)
Spot on. Plus there is a rich history of successful rugby players coming out of the public school system.
There are many reasons why that's not happening to the same extent today, but the national player base (i.e. the grassroots) could be expanded significantly with improved support from the ARU.

email sent;
I just thought it the comparison provides a real example why this market should be worked over.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Coxxy said:
Code of Practice
In the light of these principles, the GPS Headmasters affirm the following code of practice:
  1. No inducements such as sporting scholarships, whether direct, disguised, or at arm’s length, shall be offered by any member school. Financial assistance to talented sportsmen shall not form part of the enrolment strategy of any member school.
  2. We affirm that the Headmaster of each school is responsible for knowing the special circumstances relating to the admission of boys to his school.
  3. In the selection and training of boys in teams or crews, the good of the individual boy shall remain paramount.
  4. While allowing for some exceptional circumstances, we believe that it is poor educational practice for a boy to engage in a single sport throughout the year.
It looks as if the code of practice is usually overlooked or out dated. Most shore rowers only do one sport throughout the year which is rowing even though they are training at a club. Newington and joeys on the other hand do nothing wrong by training in the winter as the boys are involved in other sports as well, that is why the training is on a Sunday afternoon or early in the mornings and optional.​
I have never read nor understood the code and it seems meaningless, ball sport orientated and outdated. Another breach I observed recently is in regards to paragraph 1 of this conduct, the well discussed scholarship issue. The current stroke and 7 seat of the Newington 1st VIII rowed last season at Kinross and came across with the Dir of Rowing from that school.http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/community/threads/2017-schools-rowing.16839/page-30#post-894571
 

ShootingHoops

Frank Row (1)
Newington have picked up two rowers from Kinross - ranked top three in GPS times, a state water polo player from Reddem, state basketball player from Illawarra - all senior kids all started Term 4
 
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