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School sporting scholarships/recruitment

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WLF

Arch Winning (36)
It is what it is.
If schools and clubs dont take the initiative who will?

The scholarship/recruitment debate shouldn't be split into two camps: Pro scholarship vs Anti scholarship.
The Hatfields and McCoys.
Some posters on this thread have obviously seen the ugly side of the issue but throwing a blanket over it isnt the answer.

Each case of scholarships/recruitment/opportunity offered by schools should be taken on its merits.
Trinity has granted scholarships to students for years and have given opportunities to talented footy playing kids from public schools, who wouldn't have otherwise played rugby. That deserves a tick.
I wont name names but i can think of two league players who went to Trinity. One returned to league and the other one pursued rugby post school.


Yes it is what it is, but that's why the game is going backwards.
The code needs a higher level of support, eg ARU, or it will continue to shrink even in the last bastions, ie private schools and local clubs. Eventually soccer and AFL will/have completely take over from Rugby.

Just a matter of time if nothing is done.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Yes it is what it is, but that's why the game is going backwards.
The code needs a higher level of support, eg ARU, or it will continue to shrink even in the last bastions, ie private schools and local clubs. Eventually soccer and AFL will/have completely take over from Rugby.

Just a matter of time if nothing is done.

Indeed, because eventually there won't be anyone left to recruit.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Why do you think that is?

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A simple question, with a very complex answer.

In brief not enough resources went to grass roots development when there were green shoots - particularly in growth areas of Sydney. Too much emphasis on the elite professional game and not enough thought given to the base. The base has now shrunk below critical mass and junior club rugby is unable to sustain as many competitions and clubs as it once did. The impact of this last point is that the administration of the juniors falls to a very narrow group, many of whom a have a barrow to push and have no particular interest in growing things beyond their own short term goal.

Collapse is local juniors means that those boys who used to play club rugby on Saturdays and state school rugby on Wednesdays aren't there anymore in sufficient numbers to run teams. The number of rugby aligned teachers in the state system has also fallen, as those long serving coaches retire, get promoted away from school level or have run out of energy. Whre private school recruiting impact here is that in those few state schools which still play rugby, if you take out the 2 or 3 best players then the team collapses. If a sport doesn't run at a state school for a couple of years it is usually replaced by another sport and is very difficult to get rugby back in those instances.
 
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You do realise that the number of kids who play club rugby declines each year?

Yes but the pool's still there.
Years ago a kid called Russell Fairfax moved up from Victoria with his family to the Soldiers Settlement at La Perouse and started playing league for Lapa. He quickly adapted from AFL to the new game and started to show his freakish talents as a 10 year old.
He went to Matraville High where Geoff Mould the well known Schoolboys rugby coach ran the program.
He made the first Aussie Schoolboys team in 1969 along with a lot of other public school players. Steve Finnane was one of them; a Waverley old boy who completed his education at Vaucluse Boys High.
Would old Fairy Fairfax have played rugby for Randwick and Australia if Matraville High was a league school in those days?
He ended up taking the cash and playing league for Easts but still ...
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Yes but the pool's still there.
Years ago a kid called Russell Fairfax moved up from Victoria with his family to the Soldiers Settlement at La Perouse and started playing league for Lapa. He quickly adapted from AFL to the new game and started to show his freakish talents as a 10 year old.
He went to Matraville High where Geoff Mould the well known Schoolboys rugby coach ran the program.
He made the first Aussie Schoolboys team in 1969 along with a lot of other public school players. Steve Finnane was one of them; a Waverley old boy who completed his education at Vaucluse Boys High.
Would old Fairy Fairfax have played rugby for Randwick and Australia if Matraville High was a league school in those days?
He ended up taking the cash and playing league for Easts but still .

You're advocating the very system (or non-system) of junior development that has failed us. Let other sports and other organisations (i.e. schools) do the heavy lifting in development and then try to cherry pick some talent.

And you provide an example from the 1960s to support your case - and he ended up playing league. This is what happens to many of the boys brought into private schools on scholarships/bursaries/other means of recruiting. They prevent other kids getting 1st XV coaching and representative opportunities at school and then go off and play NRL. It's actually the worst of both worlds.
 

The Honey Badger

Jim Lenehan (48)
A simple question, with a very complex answer.

In brief not enough resources went to grass roots development when there were green shoots - particularly in growth areas of Sydney. Too much emphasis on the elite professional game and not enough thought given to the base. The base has now shrunk below critical mass and junior club rugby is unable to sustain as many competitions and clubs as it once did. The impact of this last point is that the administration of the juniors falls to a very narrow group, many of whom a have a barrow to push and have no particular interest in growing things beyond their own short term goal.

Collapse is local juniors means that those boys who used to play club rugby on Saturdays and state school rugby on Wednesdays aren't there anymore in sufficient numbers to run teams. The number of rugby aligned teachers in the state system has also fallen, as those long serving coaches retire, get promoted away from school level or have run out of energy. Whre private school recruiting impact here is that in those few state schools which still play rugby, if you take out the 2 or 3 best players then the team collapses. If a sport doesn't run at a state school for a couple of years it is usually replaced by another sport and is very difficult to get rugby back in those instances.
Yes all of that.

But to me there is a clear trend away from contact sport. Growth in Soccer and AFL (considered a lighter contact sport).

This is most evident in the Rugby heartland of private schools.

Parental concern of injury would be a major factor. Address this properly and the masses will flock back.

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And what about the school leavers who choose to play rugby instead of league.
There are a lot of Colts players in the competition.
Should I name the full list of Colts players?
 
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