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Southern Inland Rugby 2020

Discussion in 'Club Rugby' started by yourmatesam, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. Bubba Herbert Moran (7)

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    I would hazard a guess that if RA is shut down till 30 June , then i would also have a guess that SIRU (community rugby anyway) wont get going until mid july. In which case to play a full 18 round first grade comp would have us in mid november starting semis. Even if we did get going in june it would be late october.
    The scenario most likely ( and suggested by SIRU somewhere) would be a 9 round home and away followed by 'gala' days or 7's /10's tournaments.
    And now Fox sports is pushing the barrow of Phil Kearns to take over RA. Whos running who here ?
  2. paul bristow Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    I’d be shocked if Siru played rugby this year. Politicians, medical people all saying the situation we’re in will exist for the next 6 months. Rugby Australia should be honest. Community rugby should start planning for 2021. Speaking of RA, looks like Ms Castle might be working from home in a more permanent sense in the near future. What little money RA has left will go towards paying her out. Meanwhile Izzy will probably sign a lucrative deal to come back to play NRL next season.
  3. Lindommer Andrew Slack (58)

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    Castle, a good ole Wagga girl, will be just fine. It's Foxsports I'd be worried about, very worried.
  4. Reasoning Allen Oxlade (6)

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    I reckon we need to worry about a lot of things with regards Rugby in Australia including ;

    # Raelene Castle Wagga born but let's keep that quiet for now
    # The Rugby Australia Board - gave themselves some very high pass marks in the last seasin in a number of categories when they simply FAILED
    # No Broadcast contract at all for next Season (NZ & SA have already signed off on theirs)
    # Zilch $$$ in the Bank
    # Directors can't sign off on the latest Finacial Staements due to fear of Trading whilst insovent
    # Haven't advised the players yet what their pay cuts will look like
    # Raelene being hammered by Kafer, Kearns, Farr -Jones and Alan Jones - they would ly blame her for the Coiona Virus in Australia if they could
    # Wallabies very poor poor form in recent years
    #nobody watches Super Rugby anymore and it's set down to be played again next year with each team playing each other once - that looks like another recipe for disaster
    # The Israel Folau saga which cost millions of $$$$ to settle
    # ARU executive staff were on massive salaries which has been bleeding the game dry for years

    Lets go back to Semi Pro Rugby in Australia and when Internationals are being played just do what the Socceroos do and pick your best team made up of O/seas players and locals - South Africa basically did this to win the World Cup this year ( obviously they weren't semi pro but the Corana Virus issue may lead to this for a number of countries in the future)

    there are probably more issues out there but time to look forward not backward now

    SIRU can squeeze a 1 Round home and away comp plus finals into 12 weeks very easily - can start in July (preferrably) or August at the latest - fingers crossed there is the opportunity to do thios later in the year
  5. paul bristow Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    I think we all concede that rugby in Australia at national/state/community levels is at a very low point. Now that there is a long pause in the game isn’t it an excellent opportunity to get off the train going to nowhere. Most people are keen to blame Raelene-Castle. Not fair. We were travelling on a steep downhill gradient way before Raelene came along. Money distribution, rules, referee interpretation of rules, stop flogging that dead horse otherwise known as Super Rugby, employing NZers as RA CEO and Wallabies coach.
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  6. Bubba Herbert Moran (7)

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    Correct on the health of the game overall PB.
    I think blaming castle is simplistic at best - the game has been in a spiral downwards since the second coming of John O'Neill . Sadly the spiral has got quicker of late. How do we fix it ?
    Turning inwards is not the answer. Ditching super rugby in its current format , may be the easy answer but not necesarily the right answer. I would be inclined to say super rugby needs a revamp - no south african teams would save a motza for operating costs. When half the games are at 2 in the morning it doesnt inspire the casual fan. More games at friendly TV times (on free to air) will help in many ways . By staying close to the Kiwis, we will expose our teams to better competition than any internal comp ever will. The old super 12 format worked and worked well and could be the future. 5 kiwi sides , 3 aussie and japan and the 3 pacific islands perhaps ?

    Either way I'm glad its not on my job description to handle !
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  7. paul bristow Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    Well then why is the internal kiwi competition so much better than ours Bubba? Why are we as a national team/squad regularly paying big money to coax rugby league players over to rugby union? I know both the NRL & the AFL have their own difficulties now because of the Coronavirus but they were both travelling a lot better than us before this situation. To move forward we’ve got to look back. Some things have gone terribly wrong. I mean did we really need 150 people working at rugby head office. Let’s face it - paying Raelene 800K?
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  8. Bubba Herbert Moran (7)

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    I would have thought its pretty obvious why the NPC in New Zealand is better than anything weve tried. Youve already said half of it. The NZRU does not have the monster that is the AFL nor does it have the issue of the NRL. They dont have the A League , they dont have the NBL , they dont have any of the competitors that the game of rugby has here. They dont have the tyranny of distance. They get the best talent because they want to play rugby. They want to be All Blacks. We dont have that. Thats why i am saying turning inwards wont help.

    I agree with you , weve spent so much money on league wingers and other duds. Why ?? We have plenty of kids that could have done that without the money we threw at Rogers, Tuqiri , Big Dell etc etc . I agree, what the hell do 150 office people do at North Sydney HQ ? Why was Raelene on 800k ? Why was Ewen McKenzie lost to rugby after the disgraceful behaviour of some our players?
    There a lot of questions. And not many answers. All it says is that we all care about the game. And opinions are going to be different.
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  9. yourmatesam Bob Davidson (42)

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    2020 will be remembered in a similar vein to 9/11

    We will remember things as "pre" and "post" COVID-19, it really is affecting every aspect of our society.

    I doubt any rugby will get played this season, if it is, it'll be a gala day or knockout format at best. For me, it would make sense to have this at a central venue to minimise travel, have a single presentation, recognise the impact etc etc.

    If there is time and interest, it may be an option to have an East and a West gala day with the winners playing off for the GF?

    Who knows though, and really - there are bigger fish to fry.

    On another note, it's good to see the significant decline in new cases being reported, hopefully this is good news for all concerned and we can slowly get back to "normal" life.

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers
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  10. yourmatesam Bob Davidson (42)

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    SIRU should kick off an online "Jonah Lomu Rugby" (or whatever the latest and greatest is.) Tournament.

    Sponsor the teams from their local watering holes and play a round robin tournament. Get the clubs to nominate a club identity to play the game and see what happens.

    Possibly even stream the matches? It would be a laugh at least.
  11. Reasoning Allen Oxlade (6)

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    Will this effect the CSU Reddies as well ?
  12. paul bristow Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    What’s the breakdown of money coming out of fees. I mean Athol when a player (junior/senior, his/her) pays fees in the local Siru comp how much goes to the Brumbies. How much goes to RA. How much goes to paying Raeleen’s 800K or the wages of the 150 working out of head office. Izzy’s money. Wallaby & Brumbies salaries. Maybe none of Siru player fees go in these areas. But if any does , it shouldn’t. Local community rugby & Shute Shield seem to going well & probably require the least funding.
  13. Athol Bob McCowan (2)

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    From what I can see Player Rego fees in SIRU are made up of an Insurance content, Rugby Australia Participation Fee and and an Affiliation Fee to Brumbies Rugby - on top of these compulsory payments Clubs also add items such as Training Shirts, Sox & Pants, etc etc onto their Rego Fees.
    From what I can see on the Net most Rego Fees vary from say $250.00 to $400 per season depending on what Clubs offer on top of the Compulsory Fees
    If the local season is closed down as you have predicted will happen in an earlier Post - there will likely be a rush for Refunds
  14. paul bristow Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    Thanks Athol. That explains the rego fee situation. I wasn’t aware of all that. $250 - $400. That’s a fair bit of cash, especially in the current circumstances we’re living in. I don’t have any more idea than anyone else about what might happen re starting Siru comp. Haven’t even heard anything re Super or even Shute. I can’t understand NRL starting. Some bloke got fined a grand for riding a bike at 2:50 am in the morning here in Griffith. With no-one within cooee of him. Let alone hugging 11 other blokes in a scrum. Blokes wrestling each other for 80 minutes then bumping elbows at the end of the game to avoid shaking hands.
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  15. Athol Bob McCowan (2)

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    Latest update on Shute Shield is that mid to late July is the anticipated kick off to the season.
    Each Club to play each other once and either Penrith or Newcastle looking to make up the 12th Club / Team
    Highly unlikely that a 4th Grade Comp will be held
    Based on this info the SIRU comp is also gearing up for a Mid to late July kick off with each Club playing each other once.
    Things can obviously change in the current environment of COVID - 19 but at least positive signs that local Rugby will be played this year.
    If CSU Wagga remains in remote Study mode for the rest of the year Ag College will definitely struggle for numbers
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  16. Reasoning Allen Oxlade (6)

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    It would be great to see some local Rugby played this yera if your mail is accurate
    IMO I would flick 3rd Grade and just play 1s, 2s & Womens in 2020
    Just makes things tidier on Game Day and with Hay and Deni playing 1sts & 2nds this year it means every Club is getting some Rugby
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  17. Duff Man Frank Row (1)

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    The university confirmed last week that Semester 2 classes which were due to commence late July will be taught online.
    Obviously due to the pandemic but also a bit of cost cutting going on. I wouldn't write the aggies off yet, well renown for their hunger of beer that might be enough lure them back to Wagga anyway.
    It will be an opportunity for SIRU to get creative anyway, maybe a few combined senior/junior gala days to ensure we are not playing when the mercury rises in late October?
  18. Bubba Herbert Moran (7)

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    From my viewpoint , I'd rather a september finish to the comp. We do have a large amount of farm and agricultural related types in our comp and things start to get a bit hectic at that time of year.

    By the same token, I'd just like to see some local rugby in action again. I cant see play in june, but am happy to be proved wrong. The real proviso is going to be from state and national health bodies and how crowds are going to managed. That will be the real dictator of what the 2020 comp ends up looking like ! And that will not just be rugby it will control how a number of sports are able to be relaunched.
  19. Athol Bob McCowan (2)

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    Recent articles in the Daily Advertiser typify the confusion whether a local Comp will be played this year- The Albury President believes the season should be called off due to the Financial concerns his club will have - my understanding is that Spectatotors will be allowed into venues if Competitions commence this year so I'm not sure about the Financial problems - Albury did get a few Overseas players to their Club again this year so that might be behind the scenes.
    The Wagga City Pres is all for the Comp kicking off as it will help in many areas for people making social contact again and relieving Mental Health issues - the Pres of City is quite happy to at lease see some Rugby played which is a lot more positive than the vibes from his counterpart near the Boder.
    And Finally the SIRU Pres says that they (SIRU) haven't ruled out playing a full 18 Round season ?? - that would require 21 weeks of Rugby for some Teams with a Grand Final in possibly November or even December even if they kick off in June which appears unlikely.
    The first thing that is required is a Starting Date for a Competition - after that date is announced you work backwards for Training etc so that the players are as well prepared as can be expected - then you work Forward to see how long your Comp can go for without being worried that Lineouts may be interrupted by Cricket Balls being launched at them from the middle of the Field.
    Some Vibes are good, some vibes are less than Good but at this stage a Shortened SIRU Comp is still on the Cards this season, the scenario for the Juniors Competition kicking off in 2020 is another big issue to be sorted out
  20. paul bristow Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    Surely the communications that everyone is waiting on Athol are the actual decisions that have been made by the Siru Board. With clubs attempting to re organise themselves they would be looking to the Siru Board for guidance. I know we are in unprecedented times but it’s being said that Central West are a lot further down the track regarding disseminating specific information in terms of a re start.

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