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Super Rugby Au Final - Brumbies v Reds

Discussion in 'Rugby Matches' started by dru, Sep 15, 2020.

  1. Forcefield Peter Fenwicke (45)

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    If someone had said 10 years ago we'd have two of the best..

    Two cracking teams. I can't separate them. So many playing to nail down a start for the Wallabies.
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  2. Tomikin Paul McLean (56)

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    Two teams in a wicked final to see who the champion of super au, is get excited guys.
  3. liquor box Ken Catchpole (46)

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    It is amazing, come 2021 we will realise that 2020 will always be remembered as the year that Australian tight head props were being written about in main stream media, it has been an unprecedented year....and some other stuff also happened
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  4. Roberts Rugby Cyril Towers (30)

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    Should be named after the first try scorer.
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  5. Roberts Rugby Cyril Towers (30)

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    Tupou is hedging in front this year.
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  6. liquor box Ken Catchpole (46)

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    Tongan Thor would be a unique name
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  7. liquor box Ken Catchpole (46)

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    I think he is way ahead, is there anything that AAA does that Tupou cant do? There seem to be a few things that Tupou does that AAA doesn't do.
  8. thierry dusautoir Alan Cameron (40)

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    Does anyone know who is reffing the game as I believe this will have an impact on the game come scrum time.

    I would be interested to see the stats but I think that Tupou gets the rub of the green with Berry (but i think that Tupou gets away with a fair bit at the scrum).

    I also believe in a rebels vs brumbies game he pinged Sio about 3 times.

    I am not saying that there is a bias but maybe some preconceived ideas and i think the scrum will probably be the biggest factor in this game.
  9. TSR Jim Lenehan (48)

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    We finally have a THP who can demolish people in scrums, and there appears to be some who want him bought back to Earth.

    Every prop is borderline illegal - Tupou certainly isn’t doing anything off the charts wrong. Sure, it’s not Sio’s job to hold Tupou up, but it’s not Tupou’s job to hold him up either and if he keeps folding under pressure rather than staying up than he is at risk of getting penalised. The rub of the green has certainly gone against Tupou plenty of times this year too.

    I actually really like Sio & Slipper, but I hope the ref lets them go at it and Tupou does a demolition job.
  10. Number 7 Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    Sio was struggling to keep his bind in that game and was pretty rightly pinged for it. Wasn't the only time this year he struggled.
  11. thierry dusautoir Alan Cameron (40)

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    I think my point has been missed a little.

    I am not saying Tupou can't scrum.and I am not saying Sio did not get wrongfully pinged. It is called for the dark arts for the reason and the job is to push the limits of the ref's interpretation. What I am saying is that as commentators and spectators we can agree that the scrum can be adjudicated like a lottery.

    I will double down on my point of preconceived ideas by suggesting that Brumbies scrum penalty count is higher/Reds penalty count is lower than their opposition when Berry is the ref.Could be wrong, as I don't have those statistics close to hand.

    Also Angus Gardiner might reffing and this whole conversation is null and void.

    So to reiterate my actual point.I do not want the premier game of season to be won or lost on scrum penalties, and again does anyone know who the ref is?
  12. TSR Jim Lenehan (48)

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    Thierry - sorry, I can’t help you with the who the ref is.

    My post was only a reaction to your in part. Over the last two weeks, and even before that, I’ve notice any number of posts and a number of comments on other forums, deriding Tupou for all sorts of reasons. Since McKellar’s comments there have been quite a few who are suddenly experts in scrumming who seem to hold that Tupou only looks good because he is cheating and the refs are helping him out. There seems to be a number on other public forums who can’t wait until Tupou gets ‘found out’ at the next level.

    I realise that a lot of that is well and truly beyond what you wrote in your comment and I tried to write a suitably measured response given it was your comment that I was directly following. However even in your comment I do think you are implying that the refs are helping Tupou out.

    Personally I don’t think that is the case at all. Every prop takes latitude where it is given to him. But he is consistently out scrumming his opposite and i feel deserves every bit of credit/respect for it.

    To put another spin on it, if Cheika had gone into a press conference and complained about the scrumming the way McKellar did, I reckon he would have got hammered on here.

    Just to balance my comment though - it is certainly not the majority. Most rugby followers I read are applauding Tupou - which is great. IMO we want guys like Tupou getting media attention to being people back to rugby.
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  13. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Angus Gardner is the referee.
  14. Ignoto Chilla Wilson (44)

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    What we heard from the NH when we got smacked around in the scrums in the early to mid 00's was we should focus on our scrumming rather than moaning. Now we have great props and a scrumming and its somehow a problem?

    Hypothetically speaking, if all the penalties awarded to a team were/are legitimate, would you be upset? Equally, would you be cranky if the loosing team had 3 props go down 'injured' and we reverted to league scrums?
  15. Tex Peter Johnson (47)

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    Maybe he's suggesting that interminable collapsed scrums and penalties is the eyesore? I'm a former back and love watching well-matched scrums. It's when they start playing funny buggers and rolling shoulders etc for penalties that I get turned off
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  16. TSR Jim Lenehan (48)

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    Hey may do - but I don’t think there is any reference in his comment to that.
  17. Tex Peter Johnson (47)

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    Fair enough. There was a great analysis on The Road comparing AAA and Tupou as scrummagers. IIRC it was very complimentary to TT, both in terms of technique and raw power
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  18. TSR Jim Lenehan (48)

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    Yeah - on the whole I think most fans are on board. To be honest I’m am really just reacting to a small number of those peanut brained fans that can’t bring themselves to acknowledge the development in a young bloke doing well. Mostly on the Roar/Face book.
  19. Beer Baron Bill McLean (32)

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    Yeah its not hard to fathom that TT could legally demolish people in the scrum. looking at his build and speed/strength etc. it's a testament to the opposition prop that they walk off the field at the end.
  20. Adam84 Ken Catchpole (46)

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    This whole legal vs illegal scrummaging debate is rubbish, and those coaches which are moaning about it know that as well. Every single prop scrummages illegal at some point in the game, if a prop senses an opportunity to destabilise the other prop and make it look like they couldn’t hold their own weight, they will take it. Doesn’t matter who they are.

    It’s not just in the bind where this horseplay occurs, but also in the engagement and taking the hit, if front rows can sense an opportunity to make it look like the oppositions are pushing early, they will just pull back on the weight and let them push through. It’s an illegal tactic but if it earns the team a penalty and makes the opposition scrum second guess their own engagement, then why would they stop doing it?

    Tupou has been doing no more or less illegal tactics then other props, however he also has a monster engine on him which allows him to do hold his own in the scrum even when the opposition are trying the same illegal tactics on him. That’s the biggest point of difference at the moment, normally illegal tactics can be countered by other illegal tactics, right now, his oppositions are struggling to do so. Hence the whinging..
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