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David Wilson (68)
AA is full of people on self-imposed drinking bans - doesn't mean that they aren't addicted to alcohol.
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AA is full of people on self-imposed drinking bans - doesn't mean that they aren't addicted to alcohol.
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A few people asking whether what he did is really that bad..
If it were just one your mates who isn't a celebrity then no it probably wouldn't be.
But, Pearce is a professional athlete and a large part of his income is derived from Corporate sponsors wanting to leverage his profile and image to market their products. Companies have paid a lot of money to be associated with Pearce, the Roosters and the NRL.. and events like this hinder their ability to use his profile to market their product and in worse case scenarios, could damage the sponsors reputation through association. That's why professional athletes rightly or wrongly come under greater scrutiny then your average joe and why they need to be more conscious about their public image, and in my opinion get paid very bloody well to do that.
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If it were just one your mates who isn't a celebrity then no it probably wouldn't be.
But, Pearce is a professional athlete and a large part of his income is derived from Corporate sponsors wanting to leverage his profile and image to market their products. Companies have paid a lot of money to be associated with Pearce, the Roosters and the NRL.. and events like this hinder their ability to use his profile to market their product and in worse case scenarios, could damage the sponsors reputation through association. That's why professional athletes rightly or wrongly come under greater scrutiny then your average joe and why they need to be more conscious about their public image, and in my opinion get paid very bloody well to do that.
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David Wilson (68)
^^^On one level you are right, but on a human level, I'd be worried if any young person had a serious alcohol problem. Anyone who engages in activities which cause themselves or others harm, leads to significant damage to their reputation or their ability to function in society as a result of drug and alcohol use needs help.
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George Gregan (70)
QH, you do make a good point. Part of me absolutely is in that camp of knowing that youth, free time, and money, will lead to these situations.
HOWEVER
This has all happened before, and will happen again. And not a single fucking person, in the NRL or any other pro sport, appears to be learning from the mistakes of others.
- Not the players, who aren't robots and are entitled to use their free time in any legal manner they see fit (and some illegal ones if they want, I'm not against recreational drugs per se)
- Not their agents, who will not hear a bad word said against their clients, to the point where these kids get smoke blown up their arses from the time they're a teenage prospect, and don't know how to deal with failure or the actual realities of life
- Not the clubs, who actually don't give a rancid cat's testicles about anything moral, judicial, or legal, as long as they've got money to win premierships
- Not the commentators, like Gus Gould, who will blather away about the immorality of videoing these poor, young blokes, and never actually discuss the massive cultural issues their code has (and I'm not saying its restricted to the NRL)
- Certainly not the NRL, who have given multiple chances to multiple players, instead of just setting a fucking example and drawing a zero tolerance line in the sand for actual crimes, not just misdemeanor bollocks like pretend-humping a dog.
I don't think anyone is beyond help, but jeez they've got to fucking want it. And not just as lip service to appeasement of the public.
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David Wilson (68)
^^^^Absolutely agree - all of the above who enable these guys are just as much to blame.
And you're spot on in saying that whoever it is has to really want to help themselves - so if they are just going to rehab to get out of punishment, then it won't work. If this is the case, in the long run they'll be worse off.
And you're spot on in saying that whoever it is has to really want to help themselves - so if they are just going to rehab to get out of punishment, then it won't work. If this is the case, in the long run they'll be worse off.
I've been thinking about this more today, and have a few points:
I wonder if the reaction would have been different if the video was released after the Roosters won the Grand Final? Or the Blues won Origin? Think we have a much higher tolerance for antics in the name of 'celebration' than just general shenanigans.
Also, if this was a Roosters organised day, why didn't they all go to someone's place after the boat trip instead of the pub?? They're all pissed (and more), and of no use to anyone. Why go to a public place? Organise a room somewhere at very least. It's just dumb from the club.
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I wonder if the reaction would have been different if the video was released after the Roosters won the Grand Final? Or the Blues won Origin? Think we have a much higher tolerance for antics in the name of 'celebration' than just general shenanigans.
Also, if this was a Roosters organised day, why didn't they all go to someone's place after the boat trip instead of the pub?? They're all pissed (and more), and of no use to anyone. Why go to a public place? Organise a room somewhere at very least. It's just dumb from the club.
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Mark Ella (57)
Its interesting that so many pro sports people from so many different sports have big issues with behaviour. Is it education? Upbringing? I have no idea. But I look at two professional surfers, a sport which has through its history been synonymous with a partying lifestyle, who have never had a moment of bad press. Mick Fanning and Kelly Slater. Slater especially so since he has been a professional for over 24 years and while still competing at the highest level only ever finds the headlines for the right reasons. It is too simplistic to say its just money and youth that leads to these incidents.
Another aspect that would make an interesting study is if the team sports produce more incidents that individual sports, but the tennis brats on court behaviour would tend to dispute such an assertion on a cursory look.
Another aspect that would make an interesting study is if the team sports produce more incidents that individual sports, but the tennis brats on court behaviour would tend to dispute such an assertion on a cursory look.
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Jimmy Flynn (14)
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Jimmy Flynn (14)
We are at a time when money runs sport .... sponsors and administrators demands will always exceed what society is capable of and this is amplified by the decline in journalistic standards where the competition from social media has turned many in the media from that of reporters to that of commentators . Don't get me wrong ...the video was not my cup of tea but in hearing the promos and commentary from the press you would wonder if they were covering a serial killer or highlighting atrocities in the middle east . I find it oddly perplexing that the press had to be dragged begrudgingly to cover the multitude of attacks on women across Germany yet a footballer who has been filmed in a private residence behaving like a tool sees a frenzy of coverage not befitting the acts which while tasteless did not appear to be illegal and when asked to leave he did . I think we are not helped by a portion of the population whose main sport is "self righteous indignation" .
Sponsors are no fools , they expect that people are going to screw up ....Most sponsors have their "moments" from their own deeds and misdeeds , but the administrations of various codes and their "integrity units" are in my view tainted by their existence .... if something is illegal = leave it to the police and the judiciary.
I have thrown out of my residence 4 boys/men aged 22 to 27 who's conduct I found appalling out of around 5 teams (various sports and private/state school backgrounds) I have hosted in recent years and the common denominator has been booze accelerated by the increased use of shots between beers (not a practice in my day). I believe that sport is a great leveler but is a reflection of society . I taught my children to admire the on field deeds of sportspeople but do not idolize them ....the're only human .
The codes/sports need to make it clear who they serve and why . Contracts with players need to be achievable , expectations from all parties clear and all parties ie, players , administrators and sponsors should all adhere to the guidelines on behavior (that would be novel!).
sorry i morphed to rant mode ........
Sponsors are no fools , they expect that people are going to screw up ....Most sponsors have their "moments" from their own deeds and misdeeds , but the administrations of various codes and their "integrity units" are in my view tainted by their existence .... if something is illegal = leave it to the police and the judiciary.
I have thrown out of my residence 4 boys/men aged 22 to 27 who's conduct I found appalling out of around 5 teams (various sports and private/state school backgrounds) I have hosted in recent years and the common denominator has been booze accelerated by the increased use of shots between beers (not a practice in my day). I believe that sport is a great leveler but is a reflection of society . I taught my children to admire the on field deeds of sportspeople but do not idolize them ....the're only human .
The codes/sports need to make it clear who they serve and why . Contracts with players need to be achievable , expectations from all parties clear and all parties ie, players , administrators and sponsors should all adhere to the guidelines on behavior (that would be novel!).
sorry i morphed to rant mode ........
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Greg Davis (50)
I have often wondered this, why the club doesn't hire a minder to go and collect skanky women to meet the players at a private mansion where all phones are handed in and then the players do as they please with no possibility of being caught out.
Managers seem to run the payers lives so they could also hire someone to be a full time escort to step in and tell a player it is time to go home, this would be an investment for the club, the player and the manager
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
The common thread between the football codes and tennis is that from the age of about 15, these young men are surrounded by people who (a) tell them how good they are and (b) cover up any poor behaviour. The result being that they don't really have an all-round education, they have an inflated view of their own importance in the world and they have no real concept of personal responsibilty and consequences. In less high profile sports such as surfing, it's a real hard slog to get anywhere near the top and the bogans and boofheads tend to fall by the wayside very early in the piece.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
I hear that the Canterbury-Bankstown mascot has gone into hiding.
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Mark Ella (57)
I hear that the Canterbury-Bankstown mascot has gone into hiding.
That's a bit ruff
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
I hear that the Canterbury-Bankstown mascot has gone into hiding.
Anyone need a hand finding their hat & coat?
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Mark Ella (57)
Fanning and Slater were also 21 fifteen to twenty years ago, so when they did get up to this kind of stuff there was no-one there to film it on their mobile.
Imagine the sort of thing Occy got up to in his wayward years!
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John Eales (66)
I feel like we might be reaching a tipping point when pro sport might go completely off the deep end or maybe player behaviour, constant media intrusion and everything that goes with it might get a serious review. To my mind something needs to change, because I'm sick of wall to wall coverage (and over sharing) of all the minutiae of players lives, back stories, the mixture of sport and social issues et al. 'm not actually interested in a lot other than the actual play on the paddock (granted, footballers behaving badly in public is not something that I like to see, any more than anyone else doing it). I'll bet I'm not alone there either. I find myself having switch off from a lot of it now because it can become overwhelming if you let it. I actually feel for the players a bit, because there would be a lot of good blokes out there who love their chosen profession who are probably having the passion sucked out them due to all this extraneous shit.
I know they are very well paid and all that, sure, but there surely is a limit to the path the pro sports is heading down.
I know they are very well paid and all that, sure, but there surely is a limit to the path the pro sports is heading down.
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