The NBN (National Broadband Network)

[Inside Shoulder]

For those critical of the choice of 'inferior' technologies for the NBN, there is a telling table within the strategic review that looks at the deployment timetables for the various options, including pursuing the existing FTTP rollout.
In 2019, under the existing roll-out, 57 per cent of premises would have access to the network and 100 Mbps download speeds. Under the review’s preferred "optimised multi-technology mix", between 65 per cent and 75 per cent of premises would have access to the same speeds and 91 per cent to at least 50 Mbps.
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/12/18/technology/seeing-sense-turnbulls-nbn

 

[I like to watch]

Waiting for someone to call bullshit!
Anyone please?
Rebuttals on beer coasters will not be accepted!

 

[Braveheart81]

The two recurring themes in any article supporting the watered down version of the NBN is that almost no mention is made of upload speeds and the potential value of the infrastructure for a later sale.

Increased demand for upload speed is definitely the biggest change in the way the internet is being used. Cloud computing, data storage etc. are meaning that people are uploading far more data than previously when the internet was more of a static medium that people consumed.

The sale of Telstra fetched the government a very tidy sum of money. There has been vast discussion regarding the cost of building the various versions of the NBN and the cost overrunes but little talk about the future value of the asset. Building a cheaper asset with little resale value is potentially a poorer economic decision than building a far more expensive piece of infrastructure that can be sold at a later date to recoup a lot of the costs or make a profit.

 

[suckerforred]

Building a cheaper asset with little resale value is potentially a poorer economic decision than building a far more expensive piece of infrastructure that can be sold at a later date to recoup a lot of the costs or make a profit.

And that can actually support requirments further into the future, i.e. will not become redundant in a shorter period of time.

I just wished that they had started installation in the areas that NEEDED the system instead of starting in areas that already have reasonable speeds for internet access. They may have actually got better up take.

 

[Runner]

The question about the asset being sold in the future would be valid if no one else has a network. I suspect that Foxtel and Optus will be able to use their networks in competition at some point in the future. That would diminish any sale value of the NBN.

Also the take up rate will determine its success. At $40 t0 $70 billion the cost per unit will be very great or subsidised again forever. Holden, Ford etc revisited.

I am not confident that this is the way to go as I have said in the past and still wait to be convinced. It should have been private enterprise etc as I have mentioned earlier.

 

[Braveheart81]

The question about the asset being sold in the future would be valid if no one else has a network. I suspect that Foxtel and Optus will be able to use their networks in competition at some point in the future. That would diminish any sale value of the NBN.

How does this make any sense?

It is a piece of infrastructure that can be sold at a later date regardless of whether there is competition and regardless of what sort of quality the piece of infrastructure has.

All those things will just effect the value.

 

[Runner]

Cost $40 to $70Billion sale price less than that

 

[BPC]

It's a Christmas miracle! All the NBN problems have been solved: http://theshovel.com.au/2013/12/16/nbn-to-be-powered-entirely-by-malcolm-turnbulls-popularity/

 

[boyo]

Malcolm Turnbull has cruelled his own pitch by his performance as Shadow Communications Minister and now as the Communications Minister.
I used to have respect for Malcolm Turnbull, but no longer.

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/govern...inconsistent-patchy-study-20140102-hv7az.html

 

[I like to watch]

You serious IS?
If Turnbull implemented the NBN with twice the speed promised by the ALP,in 1/2 the time,and at 1/2 the cost.
It would be the wrong colour,or discriminatory against the poor, because they can't afford the latest PC to take advantage of this public infrastructure.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

You serious IS?
If Turnbull implemented the NBN with twice the speed promised by the ALP,in 1/2 the time,and at 1/2 the cost.
It would be the wrong colour,or discriminatory against the poor, because they can't afford the latest PC to take advantage of this public infrastructure.

I took it down because I just cant be bothered any more.
There is zero new in the article - how could it rationally change one's opinion of the man, whatever that opinion might be?

 

[Ruggo]

I didn't find anything in that article. I like Turnbull but have noticed of late he does toe the party line. I understand why but I also think it contradicts the myth of the Liberal party being a "broad church". I think we will get a cheaper and shittier NBN because I just don't see nation building in the Coalitions DNA.

Where I grew respect for Turnbull was when he was Environment minister in the last Howard government. He did some fantastic work with National Water Authority, remembering this was when the droughts were still having major impacts on water security. His work with proposing amendments to the Rudd Governments ETS also got respect from me.

The other member of the coalition I have time for is Ian McFarline. I respect the fantastic work he did as opposition environment minister when Turnbull was opposition leader. Negotiating those amendments to the Governments ETS I think was good work.

I feel a bit sorry for him this government. I think he is pushing shit up hill as the current industry minister.

 

[suckerforred]

I didn't find anything in that article. I like Turnbull but have noticed of late he does toe the party line. I understand why but I also think it contradicts the myth of the Liberal party being a "broad church".

This was confirmed as a myth when Tony 'My-way-or-the-highway" Abbott was put in as leader.

As for the NBN I am violently disappointed. We are being pushed more and more to electronic means of communications and business but do not have the infrastructure to deliver. The NBN was going to change that. Now, we who live in regional areas are in some sort of no mans land where money is not/was not being spent on infrastructure because of the NBN. And now the NBN is not going to make it here because it will cost to much. Oh, but you have to get onto the website to find this out. As long as it is not between the hours of 3 & 8 pm, or when it is to hot, or windy or stormy or......

 

[Ruggo]

I am not technically savy when it comes to IT. In that context I always thought the NBN had two major points. First it was going to be technology that could outlast the rapid evolution of technology we have experienced for some years now. Second, it was meant to be infrastructure for all Australia regardless of geographic location.

Both these concepts seem to have been pissed up against the wall.

 

[boyo]

Not the NBN as such:-

Telstra gets a slap on the wrist (the fine is 0.013% of their profit)

Telstra fined $500k for urban phone line delays

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/govern...r-urban-phone-line-delays-20140110-hv7yy.html

 

[boyo]

MT - the ultimate procrastinator (especially when technology is involved).

 

[boyo]

Telstra has a war-chest of cash, partially through of CSL (Hong Kong) and partially through the sale of Sensis.

IMO they will wash their hands of the copper CAN, but they won't give it away (as much as MT would like them to), because they won't want the maintenance costs. This cash (along with the $11bn for duct access) allows them to overbuild FTTH with FTTP in cherry-picked areas.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Telstra has a war-chest of cash, partially through of CSL (Hong Kong) and partially through the sale of Sensis.

IMO they will wash their hands of the copper CAN, but they won't give it away (as much as MT would like them to), because they won't want the maintenance costs. This cash (along with the $11bn for duct access) allows them to overbuild FTTH with FTTP in cherry-picked areas.

But they're only getting $450m for Sensis - that's a war chest for the ARU but not for them

 

[boyo]

NBN enjoys massive public support despite “overwhelmingly negative” print coverage


http://delimiter.com.au/2014/02/10/...spite-overwhelmingly-negative-print-coverage/

Some of the comments are well worth readng:-

Phandrens
Posted 10/02/2014 at 1:15 pm | Permalink | Reply
“opinion/analysis
Surprise, surprise! Most Australians continue to support Labor’s NBN vision, despite the fact that Australia’s mainstream media has been staunchly against the project almost from day one.”
This supposes that mainstream media represents the thoughts of Australians. As near as I can tell, they follow the dictates of their owners. The press is polarised politically, and it is not very pretty, and not indicative of real Australians.
I am interested in technology, and see the internet as far more than a way to watch porn.
Every mainstream discussion of what the NBN could do seemed to find an online gamer as the typical internet user. The social, industrial, journalistic, medical and career opportunities provided by fast, affordable internet are extraordinary.
I appear to have lost the hope of the NBN in the two weeks after the last election, My area went from eight months of “under construction” to “no plans”.
Malcom Turnbull the “Man who practically invented the Internet in Australia” has taken my hopes of affordable high-speed internet away from me, and I will NEVER forgive that…

Kevin Cobley
Posted 10/02/2014 at 1:19 pm | Permalink | Reply
Of course traditional media outlets run negative campaigns, particularly News Limited, whose newspapers are behind paywalls consequently have no readership online, with a fast declining print market (all Australian News Ltd papers are now loss making and are subsidised by News) and a Foxtel network that will face huge competition from the NBN. People discover they can just buy the programming they want from studios marketing directly. Sporting groups like AFL and NRL desert Foxtel and setup their own broadcast studios.
Print media is largely dead and Murdoch soon will be. Within 5 years News LTD will be gone, the owners of this business without Murdoch at the helm will can the newspapers quickly.
Foxtel is 200 channels with nothing to watch.
In the end the NBN will win and the political parties that opposed it gone for a long time like the Liberals when they opposed Medibank (another well liked Labor programme), the Liberals were not re elected for 11 years.
Political revenge runs deep for the coalition, in NSW the current Liberal party is got it’s heart set on removing Labor built Darling Harbour with it’s own version. It’s a kind of mental illness, no real thought just revenge.

 

[Runner]

NBN enjoys massive public support despite “overwhelmingly negative” print coverage


http://delimiter.com.au/2014/02/10/...spite-overwhelmingly-negative-print-coverage/

Some of the comments are well worth readng:-

Phandrens
Posted 10/02/2014 at 1:15 pm | Permalink | Reply
“opinion/analysis
Surprise, surprise! Most Australians continue to support Labor’s NBN vision, despite the fact that Australia’s mainstream media has been staunchly against the project almost from day one.”
This supposes that mainstream media represents the thoughts of Australians. As near as I can tell, they follow the dictates of their owners. The press is polarised politically, and it is not very pretty, and not indicative of real Australians.
I am interested in technology, and see the internet as far more than a way to watch porn.
Every mainstream discussion of what the NBN could do seemed to find an online gamer as the typical internet user. The social, industrial, journalistic, medical and career opportunities provided by fast, affordable internet are extraordinary.
I appear to have lost the hope of the NBN in the two weeks after the last election, My area went from eight months of “under construction” to “no plans”.
Malcom Turnbull the “Man who practically invented the Internet in Australia” has taken my hopes of affordable high-speed internet away from me, and I will NEVER forgive that…

Kevin Cobley
Posted 10/02/2014 at 1:19 pm | Permalink | Reply
Of course traditional media outlets run negative campaigns, particularly News Limited, whose newspapers are behind paywalls consequently have no readership online, with a fast declining print market (all Australian News Ltd papers are now loss making and are subsidised by News) and a Foxtel network that will face huge competition from the NBN. People discover they can just buy the programming they want from studios marketing directly. Sporting groups like AFL and NRL desert Foxtel and setup their own broadcast studios.
Print media is largely dead and Murdoch soon will be. Within 5 years News LTD will be gone, the owners of this business without Murdoch at the helm will can the newspapers quickly.
Foxtel is 200 channels with nothing to watch.
In the end the NBN will win and the political parties that opposed it gone for a long time like the Liberals when they opposed Medibank (another well liked Labor programme), the Liberals were not re elected for 11 years.
Political revenge runs deep for the coalition, in NSW the current Liberal party is got it’s heart set on removing Labor built Darling Harbour with it’s own version. It’s a kind of mental illness, no real thought just revenge.

Is the NBN still out there?

Wait till the budget there is a way to save $30 billion with the stroke of a pen.