The NBN (National Broadband Network)

[I like to watch]

It does not form part of the budget.

 

[Rob42]

Yes, how did that work again? So who's money is it being built with? I seem to remember that there was an argument that no matter how much it cost to build, it would all be recouped when it was privatised - surely there's a limit to that?

 

[Rob42]

NBN enjoys massive public support despite “overwhelmingly negative” print coverage

There's nothing new in that article or the comments - the technology press thinks any criticism of any part of the NBN is anathema. I'm not shocked that a study from the Institute for a Broadband-Enabled Society finds that people are positive on the NBN.

 

[ChargerWA]

I support a more measured role out. I discussed it with a mate recently who disagrees and he made the point this was our generations "telephone line to every home" moment.

But I think that is a bad analogy. How many decades did it take to get a phone line to every home in Australia? I don't know, but it must have been at least 40? We are trying to now essentially do the same thing in 10 years. You need to let it grow organically.

 

[Braveheart81]

It amazes me that in the wake of the mining boom ending it's capital investment phase and manufacturing decreasing substantially in Australia, there is not a far greater push towards rolling out a better NBN that will last for far longer into the future.

Surely the two greatest areas where job creation will be strongest in the coming decades are renewable energy and technology.

 

[Runner]

I support a more measured role out. I discussed it with a mate recently who disagrees and he made the point this was our generations "telephone line to every home" moment.

But I think that is a bad analogy. How many decades did it take to get a phone line to every home in Australia? I don't know, but it must have been at least 40? We are trying to now essentially do the same thing in 10 years. You need to let it grow organically.

Who has a line phone now?

 

[Runner]

It does not form part of the budget.

Technically your correct. But who guarantees the funds and if it is privatized who would get it

 

[boyo]

"Every mainstream discussion of what the NBN could do seemed to find an online gamer as the typical internet user. The social, industrial, journalistic, medical and career opportunities provided by fast, affordable internet are extraordinary."


The nay-sayers conveniently and continually ignore this.

How's that 1 000 000 jobs creation looking?

 

[Runner]

"Every mainstream discussion of what the NBN could do seemed to find an online gamer as the typical internet user. The social, industrial, journalistic, medical and career opportunities provided by fast, affordable internet are extraordinary."


The nay-sayers conveniently and continually ignore this.

How's that 1 000 000 jobs creation looking?

Easy for both parties as they use the same numbers from workforce growth figures of around 1.8 to 2 % pa

 

[boyo]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-...an-to-wind-back-nbn-fibre-connections/5260982

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/21445926...s-federal-government-over-copper-nbn-rollout/

"Dr Switkowski has said if you don't get fibre by the end of the year you don't get it, so chances are if you're not in build right now you're out of luck,".

 

[Pfitzy]

Ziggy is a right tool...

With the death of car manufacturing (at last!) I was hoping that the government would swoop on an opportunity to reignite discussions around a world-class digital infrastructure for the future.

We no longer ride on the sheep's back. We can't rely on minerals forever. We need to innovate into future industries like alternative energy and food production to ensure sustainability for the planet.

We have the hottest, driest continent as our test bed, and a dispersed population containing brilliant scientific minds. The only answer is better technology so we can crown ourselves the brains trust of Asia.

But our "leaders"will perpetuate a welfare underclass that they can pander to with vote-grabbing strategies like tax cuts and financial benefits, communicated through a corrupt media trying to act as king makers.

What a pack of fluffybunnys

 

[boyo]

Joe Hockey thinks that "Digital manufacturing" will work on the MTM, as in animation on the Lego movie, to help replace manufacturing.

He must be dreaming.

 

[boyo]

Not NBN-related as such but ISP-related:-

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/govern...s-internet-filter-rebirth-20140214-hvchm.html

 

[boyo]

http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-new...erestimate-labor’s-nbn-cost-admits-government

Oops

 

[Pfitzy]

Just more fucking pointscoring for their own conscience. Turnbull opposed the FTTH based purely on the fact that he didn't come up with it. Then they throw around figures with "Billion" on the end, ignoring the fact that it would have paid for itself in ten years once the cycle powered up and got going.

Right now for 7Mbps I pay about $30 a month. I'd gladly pay $90 for a guaranteed 50Mbps.

 

[boyo]

http://www.zdnet.com/au/no-guarantees-on-nbn-download-speeds-switkowski-7000024364/

"our goal, is to provide 25meg to everybody. We hope to achieve this by 2015. Our aim, is to do this cheaper and faster than Labor..."

Weasel words.

 

[Pfitzy]

Why they keep pointing at Labor's cost is beyond me. They'd make more friends if they just shut the fuck up and got on with it

 

[boyo]

Why they keep pointing at Labor's cost is beyond me. They'd make more friends if they just shut the fuck up and got on with it

They can't help themselves.

It suits their agenda.

 

[I like to watch]

Why they keep pointing at Labor's cost is beyond me. They'd make more friends if they just shut the fuck up and got on with it

It's simple.
The budget the ALP had to complete the project was utter bullshit.
To continue on,without change would ensure massive cost overruns.
And to add insult to injury, the ALP would take great joy,in claiming the Libs had fucked it up.

 

[boyo]

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/govern...ease-reputations-at-stake-20140216-hvcpp.html

Open and transparent?


http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/securi...nbndriven-digital-economy-20140217-hvcm3.html

Strange - there seems to be a time displaced echo in our polity. I seem to remember the same argument by the Howard Govt in the 1990s. The failure of this policy because the commercial interests cherry picked the network market to maximise profits lead, eventually, to the NBN. ​

That Paul Fletcher should choose to recycle a failed policy either displays a contempt for the electorate or terminal stupidity on his part.​

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Commenter​

fractal​

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Location​

Graceville​

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Date and time​

February 17, 2014, 1:07PM​

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"The private sector has been crying out for a long term vision for the national broadband network project instigated by Labor and currently under review by the Coalition."
What this article makes very clear is that the LNP has NO long term vision for the national broadband network, never has and never intends to have one.
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Commenter
Goresh

Location
Brisbane

Date and time
February 17, 2014, 2:13PM