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Wallabies 2019 Thread

Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by Lindommer, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. cyclopath Phil Waugh (73)

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    I think he was certainly better than others used in some aspects, but probably not in others, like work-rate, which seemed to be a metric favoured in those years, right or wrong. He also benefits from being partnered with Rodda now, who is a real worker (and with more impact than the workers used before and mentioned above which is a bonus) which gives him more latitude to do what he does even better. Put him with Coleman, say, and it's maybe not a good a balance. Like Whitelock and Retallick complement each other, but have different strengths. I think also Arnold and Rodda are better than they were a year ago. Had potential, yes. Getting to it, yes.
    I think Arnold always had the higher ceiling, for sure. I think he's closer to it now. Maybe, if given better chances before, he might have reached it sooner. Who knows. There were plenty of commentators, on here and elsewhere, frustrated by his apparent lack of follow through from one level to the next. In hindsight, persistence with him might have been better for sure.
    Richie Arnold has not showed the same level as Rory at Super level so it is a guess to say he would be the same. Obviously physically more likely, but maybe not mentally. And the old "tearing it up in the NH" (used by some others about him) quite frankly has become a tad overused.
  2. qwerty51 Jason Little (69)

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    Rory Arnold and Adam Coleman are leaving at the worst time, just when our tight 5 is becoming world class. We have no suitable replacements either, likely going back to a 31 y/o Simmons with Rodda. Hockings is too young still but promising, LSL could move to lock but seems his future is in the backrow, Phillip potentially but I thought he had a poor year. Swinton looks like a player with geniune mongrel but I think his future is at 6. Big year for him next year I think.

    What's the latest on Will Skelton? Cheika has to move mountains to get him home. He was literally the best lock in Europe. Dominated a Leinster pack full of Irish players.
  3. RugbyReg George Smith (75)

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    Nup. No suitable replacements at lock.

    Angus Blythe 2.04m
    Harry Hockings 2.06m
    Darcy Swain 2m
    Nick Frost 2.05m
    Trevor Hosea 2.02m

    And that’s ignoring Rodda, LSL, Simmons, Enever and Philip.
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  4. Froggy Cyril Towers (30)

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    I agree Coleman and Arnold are a big loss, but Arnold will be 30 next season, so Iguess is getting toward the back end of his career. For mine the two players to join Rodda are Phillip (who I really rate) and LSL, who I still believe is a lock, not a 6. Hocking may be another option, it just depends how quickly he comes on.
    And while I think CLL is definitely our best option at 10, I still think Foley is by some way the next best option at 10 if CLL goes down, far better than Toomua, Hodge or Beale imo (At 10 I mean, not generally).
  5. Bobby Sands Peter Johnson (47)

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    This post is garbage.

    Who were these other better locks? Simmonds?

    Richie just won a top 14 comp with Toulouse as a starting lock ahead of Richie Gray.
  6. Brumbieman Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    TBF Toomua had a great game on the weekend, and he's a far better defender than Foley
  7. qwerty51 Jason Little (69)

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    Good for the future sure. Not for 2020 Tests.
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  8. cyclopath Phil Waugh (73)

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    You like the bold aggro statement, eh?
    I didn't say any were better per se, I said others did some things better, some worse. And right or wrong, the selections at the time seemed to favour work-rate over impact.
    I'm talking about where they were in the past, not now. If you read it all properly before foaming, it might be clearer.
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  9. Bobby Sands Peter Johnson (47)

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    It’s garbage because you didn’t name any players or any specific skills. It’s just a vague justification for the Arnold’s non-selection when in reality no justification is self-evident.
  10. cyclopath Phil Waugh (73)

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    Gee, can you work out who the other players were? Give you a clue, they might have been mentioned in the thread of posts I was replying to. I assumed you knew what "work-rate" means in this context. Apologies if it was too oblique.
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  11. RugbyReg George Smith (75)

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    We'll you'd have Rodda and LSL as an experienced combo with Philip and Simmons as back up.

    I suspect one of Hockings, Swain or Blythe will play test footy next year.
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  12. Bobby Sands Peter Johnson (47)

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    Toulouse will have a locking combo of Arnold & Arnold next year.
  13. TSR Peter Johnson (47)

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    It’s more than that even - there is a lot of focus on Alaalatoa (and fair enough) but all of Sio, Slipper & Tupou provide us front row strength we just haven’t had. JOC appears a different player, and Genia & Coleman (small sample admittedly) are playing closer to the best versions of themselves.
  14. Forcefield Peter Fenwicke (45)

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    I rated Richie Arnold at the Force. I kind of felt like Richie was a later entrant to professional rugby than Rory, and so he was a couple of years behind developmentally. Richie reminded me of what Rory was like two years earlier. Unfortunately, with the culling of the Force, Richie joined a team that was already awash with good locks and was always going to be behind his brother. French rugby is a bit different to Super Rugby and Richie's fitness levels and skill set are probably much better suited to their style of play. I reckon he could get to be as good as Rory with time though.

    I wonder if Skelton plans to come back?
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  15. Brumby Runner John Eales (66)

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    Combinations are just so important. Arnold/Rodda is the best locking combination we have atm.

    The thing with Rory is that his points of difference being his ability at maul time, both attacking and defending, his off loading and link play to the backline, his lineout jumping and his defense and ball carrying abilities were always evident in his play at the Brumbies. If those skills were not always on show at the Wallabies, it probably had more to do with the game plan and what Cheika wanted rather than any deficiencies on Rory's part.

    During the time Richie was at the Brumbies, the two of them often alternated in the starting team, with the other off the bench. There was no really obvious decline in skills when Richie was on the field, and notably, many a time the Fox commentators really had little idea which one was on the field at any particular time. They don't just look alike, they play alike as well.

    It is unfortunate they have both gone off shore but I expect they will enjoy life around the Toulouse area.
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  16. Brumby Runner John Eales (66)

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    It borders on nightmare stuff that Rob Simmons will again be in the mix for the Wallabies next year. I really hope that LSL will be able to revert to lock after Valetini and Dempsey both become available to fill the No 6 spot. Beyond Hockings, we have Swain and Blyth both establishing themselves at Super level. IMO Swain is clearly the best of the younger locks coming through as he is more aggressive in his play than any of the others.

    So, for next year, I hope to see the Wallaby second row consist of Rodda, who will be very experienced following the RWC, and LSL, Philip, Swain, Hockings or Blyth. The backrow is looking decidedly strong also with Valetini, Dempsey, Swinton, Hooper, Wright, McReight, Brown, Naisarani, Samu, Holloway and Leota, so there should be no reason for LSL not to be able to revert to lock.
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  17. cyclopath Phil Waugh (73)

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    I agree with most of that - I don't think Rory had deficiencies per se, but that he was not playing at his best potential at times, and obviously, as you say, the game plan maybe didn't favour him. As a side note, I wouldn't use Fox Sports comms as any useful marker, given many of their utterances!
  18. Rugby Head Allen Oxlade (6)

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    All 5 of those youngsters look very promising, I don't think we will or should even consider seeing them for atleast another two years in a gold jersey. Would be much more beneficial for their future if they can develop/ gain confidence and get some solid game time in at super rugby level. Think Phillip/ LSL are the pick of the more experienced guys listed. Phillip has a high work rate and is powerful/ dynamic on the field. LSL is a great 6, but we are gifted and have back rowers coming out of our ears. Think using him in the 2nd row would be more beneficial for the team.
  19. Bobby Sands Peter Johnson (47)

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    Does it appear to anyone else that Foley is not going to Japan?
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  20. Bobby Sands Peter Johnson (47)

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    You missed the most important one, Harry Wilson.

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