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Wallabies 2020

Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by A mutterer, Oct 19, 2019.

  1. Derpus Mark Ella (57)

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    Just out of curiosity - is JJ staying on with Japan after this WC?
  2. Seb V Geoff Shaw (53)

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    Or just change the perception that the "Australian way" is holding possession and running the ball. To me the "Australian way" is playing smart rugby and out-thinking our opposition, and out-skilling them. It's been a long time since that happened though.

    I feel the rugby smarts of Australia died after Larkham left. (as a player - definitely not as a coach)
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  3. Slim 293 Jason Little (69)

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    Eh?

    Hooper was a regular starter under White..... it led to him being a starter for the Wallabies that year.
  4. Slim 293 Jason Little (69)

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    BULLSHIT.
  5. RedsHappy Geoff Shaw (53)

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    Just please indulge an aside: I'd love to be sitting next to Link as he watched the end of Cheika's Wallaby career unfold over that final 80 minutes in Oita. I wonder what he would have been thinking.

    I wonder if he wonders: what might have been for me if not for the Patston affair, the related back-biting machinations of Hooper, Beale and AAC, and the spineless micro-culture that pervaded Pulver's reign and the ARU board as a whole.

    In so many ways, Link's seemingly total, irrevocable departure from Australian rugby was a tragic moment, one of great loss that resonates still.
  6. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I bet he does.
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  7. Jagman Trevor Allan (34)

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    Now I did some googling instead of going from memory. Perhaps their relationship isn't so bad but I doubt Hooper would have come to the Waratahs if White had not dropped him the first 3 games 2012 and told him he was a boy compared to South Africans, and according to the article below White contemplated playing him at srcum half.
    https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2019/04/19/super-hooper-100th
  8. Seb V Geoff Shaw (53)

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    To be fair, I think Colby Fainga was the first choice - but was injured which led to starting Hooper regularly.

    Although, I do agree that I think it's a bit rubbish to think Hooper and J White had some falling out - first I've heard of it.
  9. Seb V Geoff Shaw (53)

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    To be fair, I think he was a bit of a boy. He wasn't physical enough at the time (lacked strength into contact), he wasn't putting on those driving tackles back then. I recall Hooper heavily criticised when he played against the B & I Lions for this reason. (and probably why is was dropped for an ageing G.Smith)

    Funny though, as he developed over a few seasons into a very strong and physical player.
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  10. Slim 293 Jason Little (69)

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    That sounds like a good motivational talk....
  11. Slim 293 Jason Little (69)

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    White started out with his bigger is best strategy for the first few rounds, and we fielded a backrow of Kimlin, Vaea and Mowen.

    The Chiefs match being a big turning point for the likes of Hooper, and Fardy...
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  12. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I think Hooper was always going to come to the Tahs following the retirement of Phil Waugh.
  13. Finsbury Girl Dave Cowper (27)

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    Err no that was the Cheika way.
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  14. Lorenzo Nev Cottrell (35)

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    Legendary Wallabies hooker Phil Kearns was a candidate for the chief executive role at RA when Raelene Castle was appointed to take over from Bill Pulver in December 2017.
    In part of the discussion with Kafer and Gregan on Fox Sports, Kearns put his hand up to be part of a top to bottom review of rugby in Australia.

    No. Just no. No more jobs for the fucking boys. Giving someone a couple hundred grand cos he played rugby before and seems like a good enough bloke is part of what got us where we are in the first place.
    Phil Kearns has had thousands of opportunities to impress with his rugby nous and without fail, he uses those opportunities to demonstrate an absolute lack of it.
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  15. Finsbury Girl Dave Cowper (27)

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    Absolutely gutless stuff from those highlighted especially. No surprise all were always Cheika regulars.

    One of the most astute coaches of our time lost forever like tears in rain.
  16. KOB1987 Mark Ella (57)

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    Yeah, I wasn't comparing him with Cheika, and it wasn't a shot at you, I was genuinely curious. I've now done some research and since the 2015 RWC England have played the All Blacks the grand total of - once. For a 1 pt loss at Twickenham. If a comparison were in order I don't think it would be silly to strip out the games against NZ, considering the imbalance in the number of times Cheika's team had to face them v Eddie's. And I know Eddie would have superior figures, but the W-L ratios between the two would converge significantly.
  17. Bobby Sands Desmond Connor (43)

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    What did they do again?
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  18. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    100% this. Aussie rugby used to be all about SMART footy, not just running the pill. I felt that the only plan Cheika's Wallabies had was to run it from everywhere (and via Izzy or Kerevi). The successful teams of the 80's, 90's and early 00's knew when to run and when to play field position.

    I also feel that many of our players just take dumb options too. Chip kicking in your 22 is not smart.
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  19. cyclopath Phil Waugh (73)

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    Regardless of demonstrably crappy coaching structures and strategies, how does a player reach International level and think this is a good idea???
  20. Lorenzo Nev Cottrell (35)

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    Said player has been getting away with on and off field murder for a decade. Why *wouldnt* he think it ok to do whatever feels good at the time?

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